HE'S ESSENTIALLY A FREE MAN
AFTER A SENTENCING HEARING THIS
MORNING AT THE FEDERAL
COURTHOUSE IN SAN FRANCISCO.
KRON 4'S JULIE LUCK REPORTS.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] >> Reporter: CHEERS ERUPTED
AT THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSE WHEN
NEWS TRICKLED DOWN TO MEDICAL
MARIJUANA ADVOCATES THAT ED
ROSENTHAL RECEIVED A LIGHT
SENTENCE. >> I'M SO HAPPY AND SO GRATEFUL
TO THE JUDGE.
>> Reporter: THE 58-YEAR-OLD
MEDICAL MARIJUANA GROWER WAS
SENTENCED TO ONE DAY IN JAIL,
TIME HE'S ALREADY SERVED.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT ONE DAY
IN JAIL IS JUSTICE.
NOBODY SHOULD SERVEANY TIME.
THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME.
THERE SHOULD BE NO CRIMINAL
PENALTIES AT ALL FOR MARIJUANA.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] >> Reporter: ROSENTHAL WAS
CONVICTED IN FEDERAL COURT IN
FEBRUARY FOR GROWING 100 PLANTS
OF POT.
A JURY FOUND HIM GUILTY OF
THREE COUNTS OF MARIJUANA
CULTIVATION.
LATER, SEVERAL JURORS CAME
FORWARD TO PROTEST THE
CONVICTION CLAIMING THEY WERE
NOT ALLOWED TO HEAR ALL THE
EVIDENCE. ROSENTHAL HAD BEEN WORKING WITH
OAKLAND CITY OFFICIALS AND SOLD
MARIJUANA TO PATIENTS WHICH IS
LEGAL UNDER A 1996 LAW PASSED
BY CALIFORNIA VOTERS.
AT A PRESS CONFERENCE AFTER THE
SENTENCING, ROSENTHAL CALLED
FOR THE JUDGE TO RESIGN AND FOR
AN INVESTIGATION OF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT'S HANDLING OF THE
CASE.
>> HE DID NOT ALLOW THE JURY TO
HEAR THE FULL STORY.
IT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
IT IS CORRUPT.
>> I DO NOT THINK THAT JUDGE
BREYER IS CORRUPT AND I DON'T
THINK HE'S A BAD JUDGE BUT I
ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH ED
ROSENTHAL WHEN HE SAYS THAT THE
RULINGS MADE IN THIS CASE WERE
WRONG. >> Reporter: ROSENTHAL COULD
HAVE BEEN SENTENCED TO A
MAXIMUM OF 60 YEARS BEHIND
BARS.
PROSECUTORS WERE ASKING FOR 6
1/2 YEARS.
>> THE WAY I FEEL RIGHT NOW IS
OVERWHELMING. I HAD ALMOST LOST HOPE.
>> Reporter: ROSENTHAL WAS
ALSO FINED $1,000.
HE'LL ALSO BEN THREE YEARS OF
UNSUPERVISED PROBATION, TIME IN
WHICH HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO GROW
OR POSSESS ANY ILLEGAL
SUBSTANCES.
OUTSIDE THE SAN FRANCISCO
FEDERAL COURTHOUSE, JULIE LUCK,
KRON 4 NEWS.
>> U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL GEORGE
BEVAN DECLINED INTERVIEWS AFTER
THE SENTENCING.
MEANWHILE ROSENTHAL'S ATTORNEY
HE MAINTAINED THAT HE GREW THE
PLANT FOR MEDICINAL USE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT JURORS
AT HIS FEDERAL TRIAL WERE
NEVER TOLD.
>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
MAKES NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN
MEDICAL AND RECREATIONAL
MARIJUANA. THEY ARE RIGHT.
ALL MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL!
[ CHEERING ]
>> THE COURT-ORDERED HIM TO
PAY $1,000 FINE.
CALIFORNIA IS ONE OF NINE
STATES THAT ALLOWS MEDICAL
MARIJUANA USE.
THE U.S. ATTORNEY IS NOT
OAKLAND'S GURU OF BEGAN
GENTLEMAN.
ED ROSENTHAL COULD HAVE GOTTEN
0 YEARS IN PRISON FOR
CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA
FOR THE CITY'S CAN BUS CLUB.
HE WALKED AWAY NEARLY
SCOT-FREE.
CAROLYN JOHNSON HAS MORE.
>> Reporter: ED ROESZ
ROSENTHAL LEFT THE COURTHOUSE
WITH HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER AND
STEPPED INTO A CROWD OF
HUNDREDS OF SUPPORTERS.
JUDGE CHARLES BREYER SENTENCED
HIM TO JUST ONE DAY IN PRISON
WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVES
DESPITE THE PROSECUTION'S
RECOMMENDATION OF 6.5 YEARS.
APPLAUSE, CHEERS, AND TEARS
BROKE IN AND OUT THE
COURTROOM.
>> MYSELF, ALL OF A SUDDEN,
JUST TEARS ARE BEGINNING TO
ROLL DOWN MY CHEEK. AND I'M THINKING MY GOD, THIS
IS INCREDIBLE.
WATCHING THIS MERCY OCCURRING
IN THE MIDST OF OUR JUDICIAL
SYSTEM. >> Reporter: PAM WAS ONE OF
THE JURORS WHO FOUND
ROWSENTHAL GUILTY BUT THE
JUDGE DID NOT ALLOW THE JURY
TO HEAR HIS DEFENSE THAT HE
WAS GROWING POT AS AN AGENT
FOR OAKLAND'S MEDICAL
MARIJUANA PROGRAM.
>> OAKLAND PASSED A ORDINANCE
SAYING THOSE PEOPLE ARE
ENTITLED TO IMMUNITY UNDER
THAT FEDERAL STATUTE.
>> Reporter: ED BELIEVES HIS
ONE DAY SENTENCE IS ONE DAY
TOO MUCH.
>> PEOPLE ARE REALLY THANKFUL
FOR THE JUDGE DID.
HE DID ME NO FAVORS.
DID HE MARIJUANA NO FAVORS.
WHAT HE DID IS HE MADE ME A
FELON BECAUSE HE DID NOT ALLOW
THE JURY TO HEAR THE FULL
STORY. >> Reporter: BUT PROSECUTOR
GEORGE BEVEN SAID IN COURT
THIS OPERATION IS A CASH COW.
HE PUT OUT THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF PLANTS.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE DISAGREES
WITH HELPING SICK PEOPLE.
BUT AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED,
THIS IS A BUSINESS.
>> Reporter: THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IS KPAPTED TO
APPEAL THE SENTENCE.
AS FOR ED, HE WILL BE ON
SUPERVISED RELEASE FOR THE
NEXT THREE YEARS DURING WHICH
TIME HIS CARS AND HIS HOME
WILL BE SUBJECT TO SEARCH N.
SAN FRANCISCO, CAROLYN JOHNSON,
ABC 7 NEWS.
>>> VOTERS IN FIVE BAY AREA
SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE APPROVED
PARCEL TAX/lcçlç;wM
OF THE MOTIVATION.
>> Reporter: THEY'LL APPEAL TO
THE 9th CIRCUIT COURT TO GET
THE CONVICTIONS COMPLETELY
OVERTURNED.
KRON 4 NEWS. >> THANKS.
ED ROSENTHAL ORDERED TO SERVE
THREE YEARS UNSUPERVISED
PROBATION, A FINE AND NOT TO
GO GROW OR POSSESS ILLEGAL
SUBSTANCES.
>>> A ROUGH
>>> THE MAN KNOWN AS A GURU
GOT A MUCH SHORTER SENTENCE
THAN EXPECTED TODAY.
HE FACED SIX AND A HALF YEARS
FOR PRISON FOR GROWING THE
STUFF.
>> Reporter: ED IS NOW SMILING
WITH HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER BY
HIS SIDE.
MISS MOMENT BEFORE INSIDE THE
COURTROOM, THE JUDGE RULED
ROSENTHAL WOULD ONLY HAVE TO
SPEND ONE DAY IN FEDERAL
PRISON AND GIVING HIM CREDIT
FOR TIME SERVED.
>> I'M THANKFUL FOR WHAT THE
JUDGE DID. HE DID ME NO FAVORS.
HE DID MARIJUANA NO FAVORS.
WHAT HE DID IS HE MADE ME A
FELON. >> Reporter: FEDERAL
PROSECUTORS WANTED A MUCH
LONGER SENTENCE.
HOWEVER THE JUDGE AGREED
ROSENTHAL THOUGHT HE WAS
PROTECTED UNDER STAT AND
LOCAL LAWS.
WHICH ALLOWED MARIJUANA USE
FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES.
>> THERE SHOULD BE NO CRIMINAL
PENALTIES AT ALL FOR MARIJUANA.
>> Reporter: WHILE SUPPORTERS
CELEBRATED TODAY THERE IS A
TWIST. THE JUDGE ALSO RULED IN FUTURE
CASES PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW
FEDERAL LAW TRUM PS THE STATE
A WARNING THAT OTHER GROWERS
COULD FACE STIFFER SENTENCES.
THEY QUICKLY LEFT THE
COURTHOUSE.
ROSENTHALL'S ATTORNEY SAID AN
APPEAL IS LIKELY GOING TO BE
THE CASE.
>>> THE TIME THE GURU
OF GANJA WAS SENTENCED TODAY.
>> PROSECUTORS PLAID TO ASK
FOR SIX YEARS.
BILL SCHECHNER REPORTS ON WHAT
HE ACTUALLY GOT.
>> Reporter: A HAPPY ED
ROSENTHAL WALKED OUT OF
FEDERAL COURT.
PROSECUTORS SOUGHT SIX YEARS.
HE WAS SENTENCED TO ONE DAY,
THE TIME HE SERVED WHEN HE WAS
ARRESTED.
>> DAY ONE IN THE CRUSADE TO
BRING DOWN THE MARIJUANA LAWS.
>> Reporter: ED ROSENTHAL'S
EXCITEMENT IS UNDERSTANDABLE,
BUT THE DECISION IS LIMITED TO
HIM. STILL HIS WAS A REMARKABLE
CASE. A WELL-KNOWN MARIJUANA AUTHOR
AND ACTIVIST WHO WAS CONVICTED
LAST FEBRUARY OF GROWING
MARIJUANA FOR SALE.
HIS DEFENSE WAS, HE WAS
DEPUTYIZED BY THE CITY OF
OAKLAND TO PROVIDE MARIJUANA
FOR THE POT CLUB.
WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WERE
INDICTED?
>> I WAS A TROPHY.
I WAS WELL-KNOWN.
THEY WANTED TO PUT A SCARE IN
THE COMMUNITY. >> Reporter: THE JUDGE RULED
THAT THE OAKLAND CONNECTION
WAS IRRELEVANT.
SOME JURORS SAID IF THEY HEARD
THE EVIDENCE, THEY WOULDN'T
HAVE VOTED TO CONVICT HIM.
THE APPEAL WILL SAY THAT THE
JUDGE WAS WRONG THAT THE CITY
CAN DEPUTIZE SOMEONE.
>> IF OVERTURNED, IT COULD
HAVE AN ENORMOUS AFFECT.
>> Reporter: TODAY'S
SENTENCING DECISION TURNED ON
MOTIVE. THE PROSECUTOR SAID THAT ED
ROSENTHAL WAS RUNNING A DRUG
BUSINESS, A CASH COW HE CALLED
IT.
THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY SAYS THAT
ED ROSENTHAL BELIEVED THE LAW
TYING HIM TO OAKLAND SAID THAT
HE WAS NOT COMMITTING A CRIME.
ED ROSENTHAL APPEARED SINCERE,
SO HIS SENTENCE SHOULD BE
LIGHT SAID THE JUDGE.
AMONG THOSE PRESENT, HIS
12-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
>> EVEN WHEN YOU THINK THAT
YOU HAVE LOST, YOU CAN STILL
MAKE IT. TO ME, HE HAS WON.
>> WE HAVE TO END THIS.
WE HAVE TO END THIS RIGHT NOW.
STOP THESE LAWS!
THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: ED ROSENTHAL'S
APPEAL IS ON FILE.
>>> UP NEXT PRE MONICA LOUEN SKR
IS HOT TOPIC.
>> Reporter: AT THE TIME, THE
BODY LANGUAGE SEEMED TO TELL
THE STORY, BUT UNTIL NOW, SHE
HASN'T. AS THE CLINTONS LEFT IN
MARTHA'S VINEYARD IN AUGUST
1998, AFTER PRESIDENT CLINTON
ADMITTED BETRAYING HIS WIFE,
THEIR DOG BUDDY WAS THE ONLY
MEMBER OF THE FAMILY WILLING
TO KEEP THE PRESIDENT COMPANY.
AT THE EXCERPTS OBTAINED BY
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ARE ANY
INDICATION, SHE VIVIDLY
RECOUNTS HOW IN THE HEIGHT OF
THE SCANDAL, THE PRESIDENT
WOKE HER UP IN THE WHITE HOUSE
TO TELL HER THE TRUTH ABOUT
HIS AFFAIR.
ONLY 48 HOURS BEFORE
TESTIFYING ABOUT IT AND
TELLING THE REST OF THE WORLD.
I CAN HARDLY BREATHE, SHE
WRITES.
GULPING FOR AIR, I STARTED
CRYING AND YELLING AT HIM.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
WHY DID YOU LIE TO ME?
I WAS FURIOUS AND GETTING MORE
SO BY THE SECOND.
HE JUST STOOD THERE SAYING
OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I'M
SORRY.
I'M SO SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT YOU
AND CHELSEA.
ON VACATION IN MARTHA'S
VINEYARD, SHE SAYS SHE FELT
SADNESS AND ANGER.
I COULD BARELY SPEAK TO BILL.
AND WHEN I DID, IT WAS A
TIRADE.
I READ, I WALKED.
HE SLEPT DOWN STAIRS.
I SLEPT UPSTAIRS.
>> I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL
RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN.
>> Reporter: MONTHS EARLIER
MAKING THE PUBLIC DENIAL, HE
WAS ALSO LYING TO HIS WIFE IN
PRIVATE.
MRS. CLINTON BELIEVED HIM AND
FAMOUSLY WENT ON NATIONAL
TELEVISION UNWITTINGLY
REPEATING THE LIES AND
DENOUNCING THE REPORTS ABOUT
LOUEN SKI AS THE PRODUCT OF A
VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY.
AFTER LEARNING THE TRUTH, SHE
SAID SHE CONFRONTED ONE OF THE
MOST DIFFICULT DECISIONS OF
HER LIFE, WHETHER TO STAY
MARRIED TO BILL CLINTON.
>> I AM A PRIVATE PERSON, AND
IT WAS DIFFICULT TO WRITE THE
BOOK.
BUT I WANTED TO GIVE A
COMPLETE ACCOUNTING OF MY
EIGHT YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE
WITH MY HSBAND, AND IT WAS AN
EXTRAORDINARY PRIVILEGE TO
HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
>> Reporter: MRS. CLINTON SAYS
WHY HER HUSBAND FELT HE NEEDED
TO BETRAY HER IS HIS STORY AND
BILL CLINTON WILL DO JUST THAT
IN HIS MEMOIRS NEXT YEAR.
JONATHAN KARL, CNN, CAPITOL
HILL. >>> THE 500-PLUS PAGE BOOK
HITS THE STORES ON MONDAY.
THE PUBLISHER, SIMON AND
SHOOUSER, ORDERED 1 MILLIONIJUAA
WILL SPEND NO TIME CONVICTED UR
FEDERAL LAWS FOR GROWING MORE
THAN 100 MARIJUANA PLANTS.
BUT HE CLAIMED HE WAS
PROTECTED UNDER CALIFORNIA'S
MEDICAL MARIJUANA LAW.
>>> A FEDERAL FUGITIVE WANTED
ON WEAPONS VIOLATIS ING
>>> WELL, NEXT, A DAY OF xÑA
CONFIDENT SMILE FROM AMELA
. SHE IS THE DAUGHTER OF 1980.
MISS USA WAS ELIMINATED EVEN
BEFORE THE FINALS.
SHE DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE.
>> YOU PICKED HER OUT.
>> I DID LAST NIGHT.
I THOUGHT SHE WOULD BE THE ONE
EARLY ON IN THE BROADCAST.
SHE IS VERY TALL AND SHE IS
STRIKING.
SHE STOOD OUT.
SHE WAS DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY
ELSE.
>> 18 YEARS OLD AND THAT
CONFIDENCE!
THIS IS LIKE YES!WEH.
MARIJUANA ADVOCATE ED
ROSENTHAL IS NOT CLAIMING A
VICTORY, THOUGH.
TOMAS ROMAN EXPLAINS WHY.
>> ED ROSENTHAL GIVEN ONE DAY,
TIME SERVED.
>> Reporter: ED ROSENTHAL IS
NOW A FREE MAN, BUT STILL, A
CONVICTED FELON.
HE WAS CONVICTED OF THREE
COUNTS OF CULTIVATING
MARIJUANA IN OAKLAND LAST
JANUARY 31st.
DESPITE THE SENTENCE,
ROSENTHAL WAS ANGRY.
>> THIS JUDGE MADE ME INTO A
TRIPLE FELON.
HE DIDN'T DO ME ANY FAVORS.
>> Reporter: THE SUPPORTERS OF
ROSENTHAL THOUGHT HE WOULD
SERVE 5 TO 60 YEARS IF PRISON
FOR MN THAN 100 PLANTS.
NOT JUST ONE DAY, TIME SERVED.
THE ATTORNEYS SAW IN THE
SENTENCE POTENTIAL GROUNDS FOR
A SUCCESSFUL APPEAL.
>> HE MADE A FINDING THAT ED'S
BELIEF IN THE LEGALITY OF WHAT
HE WAS DOING WAS ENTIRELY
REASONABLE.
>> Reporter: FEDERAL
PROSECUTORS WANTED FIVE YEARS
FOR THE CULTIVATION OF
MARIJUANA. THEY SAID ROSENTHAL SHOWED NO
REMORSE AND CALLED IT A CASH
COW AND NO DIFFERENT FROM ANY
OTHER DRUG DEALER.
THE JUDGE SAW HIM AS A MAN
THAT BELIEVED HE WAS THOUGHT
HE WAS IMMUNE FROM FEDERAL
PROSECUTION.
ROSENTHAL, IT WAS A CALL TO
ARMS. >> THIS IS DAY ONE IN THE CREW
SAID TO BRING DOWN THE
MARIJUANA LAWS.
ALL OF THE MARIJUANA LAWS.
RRN THE ATTORNEYS ARGUE THAT
ROSENTHAL CONVICTED BECAUSE A
JURY NEVER KNEW HE WAS GROWING
IT FOR THE CITY OF OAKLAND.
THAT OMISSION AND THE
CONVICTION THE ATTORNEYS WILL
TACKLE NEXT. >> IT WILL BE ABOUT THE RIGHT
TO PRESENT A DEFENSE TO THE
JURY WHICH IS FEDERAL LAW AND
ABOUT THE RIGHT OF
MUNICIPALITIES TO CREATE SPACE
UNDER FEDERAL LAW FOR THE --
THOSE THAT GROW MEDICAL
MARIJUANA. >> Reporter: THERE ARE OTHER
CASES SIMILAR TO ROSENTHAL'S
PRESENTLY IN FEDERAL COURT.
TODAY'S SENTENCE MAY HAVE
LITTLE AFFECT ON FUTURE
CONVICTIONS BUT HELP IN
SENTENCING.
>> WHEN A DEFENDANT CAN COME
FORTH WITH A GOOD FAITH
DEFENSE, IT'S A DEFENSE THAT
MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING
TO MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE DURING
THE TRIAL PHASE, BUT AT THE
SENTENCING PHASE, IT CAN MAKE
AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF
DIFFERENCE. >> Reporter: THE ATTORNEYS SAY
IT'S NOT OVER YET.
THEY'LL APPEAL TO THE 9th
CIRCUIT COURT TO GET THE
CONVICTIONS COMPLETELY
OVERTURNED. IN SAN FRANCISCO, TOMAS ROMAN,
KRON 4 NEWS.
>> ROSENTHAL WAS FINED $1300
AND ON PROBATION FOR THE NEXT
THREE YEARS N. THAT TIME, HE
CANNOT POSSESS OR GROW ILLEGAL
SUBSTA
>> THIS IS DAY 1 IN THE
CRUSADE TO BRING DOWN THE MARIJUANA LAWS, ALL THE
MARIJUANA LAWS.
>> TONIGHT WHAT HIS SURPRISING
SENTIMENTS COULD MEAN FOR THE
MEDICAL MARIJUANA MOVEMENT. >>> WHAT DO SCOTT PETERSON'S
MISTRESS AND THE ED ROSENTHAL,
KNOWN AS THE GURU OF GANGA
WALKED OUT OF A FEDERAL
COURTROOM A FREE MAN TODAY.
HE FACED SIX-AND-A-HALF YEARS
IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR GROWING
MARIJUANA BUT AS SHARON
KATSUDA SHOWS US, THE JUDGE
SURPRISED A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH
HIS SENTENCE TODAY.
[ CHANTING ]
>> Reporter: SUPPORTERS OF ED
ROSENTHAL GOT THEIR WISH.
THEY CAMPED OUTSIDE THE
FEDERAL COURTHOUSE, THEN
MOMENTS LATER SAW ROSENTHAL...
>> NOBODY SHOULD RETURN
ANYTIME. THERE SHOULD BE NO
TIME -- THERE SHOULD BE NO
CRIMINAL PENALTIES AT ALL FOR
MARIJUANA! >> Reporter: A SHORT TIME
EARLIER INSIDE THE COURTROOM,
JUST CHARLES BRIER SENTENCED
ROSENTHAL TO ONLY 1 DAY IN
FEDERAL PRISON.
ROSENTHAL WON'T SERVE EVEN
THAT, GETTING CREDIT FOR TIME
ALREADY SERVED.
>> I'M REALLY THANKFUL FOR
WHAT JUDGE BRIER DID.
HE DID ME NO FAVORS.
HE DID MARIJUANA NO FAVORS.
PEOPLE ARE THANKFUL FOR JUDGE
BRIER.
WHAT HE DID IS HE MADE ME A
FELON.
>> Reporter: ALL ALONG
ROSENTHAL ARGUED HE WAS
PROTECTED BY STATE AND LOCAL
LAWS. BUT THE JUDGE NEVER ALLOWED
JURORS TO HEAR THAT EVIDENCE.
PROPOSITION 15 VOTED IN 1996
ALLOWS MARIJUANA FOR MEDICAL
USE, AND THE CITY OF OAKLAND
PASSED THE LAW TO PROTECT
GROWERS.
>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KNEW
THAT PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS
ACTED IN BAD FAITH AND THEY'RE
REALLY DRUG DEALERS AT HEART,
AND THE JUDGE CERTAINLY TODAY
SAID PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED
IN THIS MOVEMENT HAVE ACTED IN
GOOD FAITH. >> Reporter: BUT THE JUDGE
ALSO RULED IN FUTURE CASES
PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW FEDERAL LAW
TRUMPS THE STATE, A WARNING
THIS MAY BE THE LAST LIFE
SENTENCE FROM A FEDERAL JUDGE.
>> FEDERAL PROSECUTORS QUICKLY
LEFT THE COURTHOUSE.
ROSENTHAL'S ATTORNEY SAYS HE
WILL MOST LIKELY APPEAL THIS
CASE, BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT
FREE FOR ROSENTHAL, BUT ALSO
THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA
MOVEMENT.
SHARON KATSUDA, NBC 11 NEWS.
>>> ROSENTHAL'S SHORT SENTENCE
PUT SMILES ON MANY OF THE
FACES OF MANY MEDICAL
MARIJUANA USERS WHO FEEL
THEY'VE BEEN UNJUSTLY TARGETED
BY THE FEDS.
ANGEL SAYS SHE VAPORIZES AND
INHALES CANNABIS TO HELP
CONTROL SEVERE PAIN AND DEAL
WITH SEVERAL LIFE-THREATENING
MEDICAL PROBLEMS.
SHE SAYS THE JUDGE'S SENTENCE
COULD BEGIN CLEARING A FEDERAL
LEGAL CLOUD HANGING OVER
MEDICAL MARIJUANA GROWERS AND
USERS.
>> IT'S A SIGN THAT MAYBE THE
TRIMS ALSO CHANGING AND, I
THINK THAT IT ALSO IS GOOD
BECAUSE IT ALSO RESTORES HOPE
WITHIN A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THERE'S SO MANY OF US SICK,
DISABLED AND HE DYING AMERICANS THAT REALLY DEPEND
ON THIS MEDICINE.
.
>> SHE SAYS SHE'S INVOLVED IN
ONE OF DOZENS OF THE CANNABIS
CASES IN THE CALIFORNIA COURT
SYSTEM THAT COULD BE AFFECTED
BY TODAY'S VERDICT.
>>> SO WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF
THE GROWING NUMBER OF STATES
ALLOWING MEDICAL MARIJUANA?
POLITICAL ANALYST LARRY GURSON
WILL TALK ABOUT THAT COMING
NEW OUR SECONúIM TO
ONE DAY IN PRISON WHICH HE HAD
SERVED.
HE SET HIM FREE AFTER
CREDITING HIM FOR THAT TIME
SERVED.
HE WAS CONVICTED IN JANUARY OF
GROWING MORE THAN 100
MARIJUANA PLANTS IN A
WAREHOUSE OAKLAND.
PLANTS HE SAYS WERE LEGAL
UNDER CALIFORNIA'S MEDICAL
MARIJUANA LAW.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT ONE DAY
IN JAIL IS JUSTICE.
NOBODY SHOULD SERVE ANY TIME.
THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME.
THERE SHOULD BE NO CRIMINAL
PENALTIES AT ALL FOR MARIJUANA.
>> ED ROSENTHAL SAYS HE WAS
GROWING THE PLANTS FOR THE
MEDICAL MARIJUANA PLAN.
HE COULD HAVE BEEN SENTENCED
TO 60 YEARS IN PRISON.
>>> IN THE SOUTH BAY, A
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FOR GROWING 100 PLANTS AT A
WAREHOUSE. AND HE MAINTAINED THAT HE GRW
THE PLANT FOR MEDICINAL
REASONS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE
JURORS AT THIS TRIAL WERE
NEVER TOLD.
>> I WAS TROPHY THEY KNEW THAT
I WAS WELL KNOWN, THEY WANTED
TO PUT A SCARE INTO THE
COMMUNITY.
>> THE COURT ORDERED HIM TO
PAY A $1,000 FINE AND PUT HIM
ON SUPERVISED RELEASE FOR 3
YEARS AND CALIFORNIA IS ONE OF
NINE STATES THAT ALLOWS
MEDICAL MARIJUANA USE THE
>>> CONVICTED MEDICAL
MARIJUANA GRANDMOTHER ED
ROSENTHAL IS NOW A FREE MAN.
A FEDERAL JUDGE SENTENCED HIM
TO ONE DAY IN PRISON, THEN
GAVE ROSENTHAL CREDIT FOR TIME
SERVED AND LET HIM WALK OUT OF
THE COURTROOM. THE JURY CONVICTED ROSENTHAL
VIOLATING FEDERAL LAWS BY
GROWING THE MARIJUANA.
MANY JURORS LATER PROTESTED
BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER
ALLOWED TO HEAR THE POT WAS
FOR MEDICAL USE ONLY.
THE HIGH-PROFILE CASE
ILLUSTRATES THE GROWING CLASH
BETWEEN CALIFORNIA AND FEDERAL LAW.
>>> NBC 11'S POLITICAL ANALYST
LARRY GUR STEN IS HERE TO TALK
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS
POLITICAL FIGHT. HE LARRY, IS IT LEGAL OR NOT
TO GROW MEDICAL MARIJUANA HERE
IN CALIFORNIA?
>> WELL, IT DEPENDS WHO YOU
ASK.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN CALIFORNIA, WE
PASSED PROPOSITION 215 IN 1996,
WHICH ALLOWS MARIJUANA FOR
MEDICAL PURPOSES. BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HAS
REPEATEDLY SAID THAT THE FDA
CAN REGULATE IT, AND THE FDA'S
CONSIDERED THIS A DRUG.
SO THERE YOU HAVE THE STAND
OUF INSIDE YOU KNOW, SO MANY
PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY SAY
THIS STATE IS OUT OF TOUCH.
ARE WE MARCHING TO A DIFFERENT
BEAT HE HERE, LARRY?
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, THE WHOLE
IDEA OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS REALLY KIND OF CATCHING ON.
TAKE A LOOK AT THE GROWING
LIST OF STATES THAT NOW ALLOW
MARIJUANA FOR MEDICAL
PURPOSES. ALASKA, CALIFORNIA, OF COURSE,
COLORADO, HAWAII, MAINE,
MARYLAND, THE NEWEST STATE,
NEVADA, OREGON AND WASHINGTON.
SO WE'RE REALLY SEEING
SOMETHING HERE THAT'S GOING ON,
AND MORE AND MORE STATES ARE
FALLING INTO LINE WITH THIS
ISSUE. >> AND SO ARE MORE AND MORE
STATES DEFYING OR DISPUTING
THIS FEDERAL LAW?
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN?
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TELL,
LISA BUT JUST THINK ABOUT THE
WHOLE IDEA OF PROHIBITION, THE
18th AMENDMENT AND REPEATED IN
THE 21st AND HOW THAT HAPPENED
, ARE YOU ON THE LIST?ATE SAID
>> I'VE GOT YOUR GOODIES
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO PARTY. >> REALLY?
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CAREFREE CITY IN THE COUNTRY.
BUT THIS STORY IS BOUND TO
MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE
UNEASY.
IT'S A RARE LOOK INTO A WORLD
PEOPLE KNOW EXISTS, BUT NEVER
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TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU
THE INNER WORKINGS OF A BROTHEL,
AS REVEALED BY THE WOMEN WHO RAN
IT-- A BUSINESS THAT OPERATED
WITH TEXTBOOK EFFICIENCY, AND
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THIS STORY IS BOUND TO RAISE
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GOT PRETTY SPICY OUT IN THE
DINING ROOM THE DAY I SAT DOWN
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>> YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE
TO DO IN ORDER TO SURVIVE.
>> HE GETS THE GOOD JOB.
I'M MAKING HIM ERVOUS.
>> WE CHARGE FOR THAT.
>> Reporter: GETTING HER
MICROPHONE ON IS JEANETTE MAIER,
FORMER MADAM OF THE INFAMOUS
CANAL STREET BROTHEL.
>> A LOT OF THIS WASN'T ABOUT
SEX.
OKAY? A LOT OF IT'S FUN.
>> THEY MAY BE WHORES TO YOU.
>> Reporter: THIS IS TOMMIE
TAYLOR.
>> BUT THESE ARE LADIES.
>> Reporter: SHE RAN THE
BROTHEL.
>> I RAN A TIGHT, CLEAN
BUSINESS.
IF IT CAN BE SAID TO BE PROUD
ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I MADE
SURE IT WAS RUN RIGHT.
>> Reporter: TOMMIE'S ALSO
JEANETTE'S MOTHER.
>> MY MOTHER WAS LIKE THE HOUSE
MOTHER, MAKING SURE EVERYBODY
HAD WHAT THEY NEEDED.
>> Reporter: AND THE GOING RATE
WAS $300?
>> $300 FOR THE HOUR.
>> Reporter: AND THIS IS PAULA
CHERISH, AN EX-MADAM FROM
PITTSBURGH.
SHE REFERRED WORKING GIRLS TO
JEANETTE.
WHAT WAS A GOOD WEEK?
>> IT COULD VARY FROM $5,000 TO
$10,000 A WEEK.
>> Reporter: THAT'S PRETTY GOO
>> IF IT HADN'T A BEEN FOR THE
F.B.I., WE'D PROBABLY STILL BE
CHUGGING RIGHT ALONG, MAKING
HALF OF THE BUSINESSMEN IN NEW
ORLEANS VERY HAPPY.
( MUSIC PLAYING )
>> PARTY!
>> THIS CASE REPRESENTS, I FEEL,
ONE OF THE VILEST FORMS OF
RACKETEERING THERE IS, AND
THAT'S THE EXPLOITATION OF WOMEN
FOR THE SAKE OF A BUCK.
>> Reporter: LAST SPRING,
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS SLAPPED
INDICTMENTS ON JEANETTE, TOMMIE,
PAULA-- A DOZEN WOMEN IN ALL--
FOR RUNNING A NATIONWIDE
PROSTITUTION RING.
>> I DON'T SEE WHO WE'RE HURTING.
I DON'T SEE WHY THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
>> Reporter: JEANETTE SAYS ALL
SHE WAS DOING WAS BRINGING IN
WORKING GIRLS FROM OUT OF STATE,
BECAUSE HER CLIENTS WANTED
VARIETY. >> WE WEREN'T GOING OUT GRABBING
14-YEAR-OLD GIRLS OFF OF THE
STREET, MAKING THEM HOOKERS.
THESE WERE PROFESSIONAL WOMEN
WHO BOOKED IN WITH US.
THE BUST QUICKLY BECAME THE BUTT
OF JOKES.
AFTER ALL, PROSTITUTION WAS ONCE
LEGAL HERE IN THE LEGENDARY
DISTRICT CALLED STORYVILLE.
STORYVILLE'S LONG GONE, BUT MANY
A BROTHEL IS STILL OPEN FOR
BUSINESS.
>> CAN YOU BELIEVEj#ç IT?
>> IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY.
>> IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY?
THRIVING? >> THRIVING.
THRIVING?
>> THRIVING.
>> Reporter: ONE COLUMNIST
WROTE: "ONLY THE F.B.I. COULD
SPEND A YEAR IN THE FRENCH
QUARTER AND FIND JUST 12
PROSTITUTES."
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS TOLD US THEY
DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS
CASE, BUT THE WOMEN THEY
INDICTED SURE DO.
THIS IS THEIR STORY, AT LEAST
THE PARTS OF IT WE CAN PUT ON
NATIONAL TELEVISION.
>> TELL HIM ABOUT BIG LITTLE.
>> Reporter: DID YOU SAY "BIG
LITTLE?
>> WE GIVE THEM NICK NAMES.
>> BIG LITTLE.
BIG LITTLE IS KIND OF A BIG
JOLLY GUY, AND HE'S A WONDERFUL
MAN.
HE PREFERS WOMEN SIX FEET OR
OVER.
>> ANDTHEY HAVE TO WEAR FIVE-
INCH HEELS.
>> AND YOU WRESTL AROUND WITH
BIG LITTLE, AND YOU HAVE TO SAY,
"I'M BIG AND YOU'RE LITTLE," AND
HE GOES, "NO... ( IN HIGH-
PITCHED VOICE )...I AM NOT. I'M
BIG, TOO.
AND THAT'S HIS THING AND HE
LOVES IT, SO WE CALL HIM BIG
LITTLE, AND HE'S ONE OF OUR
FAVORITE GUY
>> Reporter: HARD TO IMAGINE
THAT THIS AND SO MUCH MORE
HAPPENED ON THIS QUIET STREET IN
NEW ORLEANS.
SO, THIS IS CANAL STREET WE'RE
ON RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? >> RIGHT.
>> Reporter: SO, THIS IS WHERE
YOU HAD THE BROTHEL?
>> YES, SIR.
>> Reporter: LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN
A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> IT IS.
ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A CHURCH RIGHT
HERE.
>> Reporter: OH, A CHURCH RIGHT ON THE CORNER, OKAY.
SO THIS IS THE PLACE.
>> RIGHT, THE CANAL STREET
BROTHEL.
>> Reporter: NOW YOU HAVEN'T
BEEN BACK HERE IN A WHILE.
>> NO, IN FACT IT'S CHANGED A
LOT.
THEY USED TO HAVE TWO CERAMIC
TIGERS OUT HERE.
>> Reporter: THE CERAMIC TIGERS
ARE GONE, BUT WE THOGHT THIS
WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO TALK.
>> Reporter: BRING BACK
MEMORIES?
>> YES, QUITE A FEW, ACTUALLY.
>> Reporter: WHAT ARE DO YOU
THINK WHEN YOU WALK BACK IN HERE
TODAY?
>> WELL, I MISS IT.
>> Reporter: YOU MISS IT.
>>IT WAS LIKE FAMILY.
IT WAS LIKE A SORORITY OF GIRLS.
WE'D HANG OUT, WATCH MOVIES, EAT
POPCORN AT NIGHT.
I WANTED IT TO BE CLEAN.
I WANTED UPSCALE.
I WANTED IT... IS IT POSSIBLE TO
HAVE CLASS IN A BROTHEL?
I WANTED IT.
>> Reporter: JEANETTE SAYS SHE'S NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW MUCH THE
BUSINESS BROUGHT IN, BUT IT WAS
LOT.
TURNOVER WAS KEY.
>> YEAH, WE HAD ONE THAT WAS
THREE-TO-FIVE-MINUTE MAN.
>> Reporter: THREE FIVE MINUTE
MAN? >> IT TOOK HIM ANYWHERE FROM
THREE TO FIVE MINUTES.
BING, BANG, BOOM-- IN, OUT, GOT
TO GO BACK TO WORK, GOT TO GO
PICK THE KIDS UP TO THE
ORTHODONTIST.
NOW HE PAID FOR THE HOUR.
IF HE WANTED TO SIT THERE AND
TALK WITH HER, HE COULD DO THAT.
THAT WAS HIS HOUR.
>> Reporter: HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED IN THE CANAL STREET
BROTHEL?
>> I WAS UNEMPLOYED.
I'M 62 YEARS OLD.
( SIGHS )
MY CHANCES OF EMPLOYMENT WERE
SLIM.
THE BROTHEL WAS ACROSS THE
STREET FROM WHERE I WAS LIVING.
SO I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND
ANSWER THE PHONES.
>> Reporter: TOMMIE TOOK TO THE
JOB WITH A VENGEANCE.
>> WE RAN IT LIKE A DENTIST'S
OFFICE.
>> Reporter: PITY THE CLIENT WHO
LACKED CREDENTIALS.
>> I'M LOOKING TO PROTECT MYSELF
AND THE GIRLS THAT ARE WORKING
HERE.
I WANT TO KNOW, NUMBER ONE,
"WHERE DO YOU WORK?"
>> Reporter: YOU WANT TO KNOW
WHERE THEY WORK?
>> OH, YES, AND IF YOU CAN'T
TELL ME WHERE YOU WORKED, THEN
YOU NEED TO CALL ANOTHER
SERVICE.
>> Reporter: WHICH BRINGS US TO
THE OTHER GREAT CONTROVERSY
BOILING LIKE A POT OF GUMBO:
JEANETTE'S LITTLE BLACK BOOK OF
CUSTOMERS.
PROFILE THE CLIENTELE.
DOCTORS?
>> DOCTORS
>> Reporter: JUDGES?
>> JUDGES, DENTISTS, ATTORNEYS.
WHOA, LISTEN, WE COULD HAVE
LIVED OFF JUST THE ATTORNEYS.
>> Reporter: IN OTHER WORDS, THE
BROTHEL HAD THE KIND OF CLIENTS
WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY $300 AN
HOUR, BUT CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE
THEIR NAMES MADE PUBLIC.
>> IN FACT, I WAS SITTING HERE,
HAROLD, AND I WAS NOTICING...
LOOKING OUT AT ALL THE VERY
NERVOUS MEN LOOKING IN.
>> Reporter: IN THE RESTAURANT,
YOU MEAN?
>> I SWEAR I HEARD MORE
DEFRIBULATORS GO OFF.
( LAUGHTER )
OH, MY GOD, THERE THEY ARE.
>> Reporter: DO YOU THINK
THEY'RE THINKING THAT YOU'RE
TELLING ALL?
>> YEAH, THEY ARE, AND THEY'RE
ABOUT TO DIE.
AND I LOVE IT.
( LAUGHTER )
HEY, MONICA'S HERE.
>> AND MY GRANDDAUGHTER.
>> Reporter: ARRIVING
FASHIONABLY LATE IS MONICA
MONTEMAYOR WITH HER DAUGHTER,
NEVAEH.
MONICA IS JEANETTE'S DAUGHTER.
>> THIS IS MY BEAUTIFUL
GRANDDAUGHTER.
>> ( LAUGHS )
SHE KNOWS IT.
SEE, IT RUNS IN THE FAMILY.
WE'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL.
>> Reporter: AND ALL IN THE FAMILY BUSINESS.
MONICA WORKED AT THE CANAL
STREET BROTHEL, TOO, AS A
PROSTITUTE, WHERE HER MOTHER WAS
THE MADAM AND GRANDMOTHER MANNED
THE PHONES.
>> HEY, OZZY OSBOURNE HAS
NOTHING ON US, EXCEPT THAT I
MAKE A GUMBO AND HE CAN'T'.
>> Reporter: HOW MUCH DID YOU
GET PAID?
>> $250 TO $300.
>> Reporter: HOW MUCH DID YOU
KEEP?
>> HALF.
>> Reporter: WHERE DID THE OTHER
HALF GO?
>> TO THEM.
>> Reporter: "THEM."
>> MOM AND GRANDMA.
>> Reporter: THREE GENERATIONS
OF WOMEN ALL FACING PRISON, ALL
IN A BUSINESS THEY NEVER
IMAGINED THEY'D BE IN.
>> WELL, I'VE GOT YOUR GOODIES
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO PARTY.
>> REALLY, WHOA.
>> Reporter: BUT FIRST, THE
SECRET F.B.I. WIRETAPS THAT
BROUGHT DOWN THE HOUSE.
>> HELLO?
>> GOOD MORNING, TOMMIE, THIS IS
CIGARETTE DAVE.
>> HEY, CIGARETTE DAVE, I'VE GOT
YOU DOWN FOR 3:00, I THINK
YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT.
SHE'S ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE.
BIG BLUE EYES, DIMPLES, CURLY
HAIR, BEAUTIFULLY BUILT.
♪ IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MORNING...
ONLY EXXON RE IM, BUT HELP
LIFT
LIPPTON, A ONCE PROMINENT LUNG
SURGEON...
>> HEY, BIG GIRL.
>> HEY, HOWIE, HOW ARE YOU?
>> Reporter: ...USED TO BE ONE
OF JEANETTE'S VERY BEST
CUSTOMERS.
>> I'VE GOT YOUR GOODIES
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO PARTY.
>> REALLY?
>> AND WHEN IS OUR REPORT DUE?
IT WAS DUE YESTERDAY?
>> Reporter: ATTORNEY KYLE
SHOENEKUS REPRESENTS HIM.
HOW MUCH MONEY DID DR. LIPPTON
SPEND AT THE CANAL STREET
BROTHEL?
>> SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $280,000
AND $350,000 OVER A THREE-YEAR
PERIOD OF TIME.
>> Reporter: THAT'S A LOT OF
MONEY.
>> HE'S A VERY LOVING MAN.
>> EVERYBODY SAID HE WAS SEEING
PROSTITUTES.
ACTUALLY, WHAT PEOPLE WERE DOING
IS BABY-SITTING HIM.
>> Reporter: JEANETTE SAYS A FEW
YEARS BACK, HER GIRLS MADE HOUSE
CALLS TO DR. LIPPTON.
HE WOULD HIDE UNDER THE COVERS
AND INSIST THE GIRLS WATCH OUT
THE WINDOWS FOR POLICE-- UP TO
TEN HOURS AT A TIME
>> HE WOULD SIT IN BED WITH THE
COVERS UP.
AND THE POOR GIRLS, SHE'D HAVE
TO BE... HE'D HAVE THE AIR
CONDITIONER TURNED DOWN TO 40,
OR WHATEVER, AND SHE'D HAVE TO
BE NUDE AND LOOKING OUT THE
WINDOW.
NO SEX, NO NOTHING.
>> Reporter: ICOURT PAPERS,
IO COCa CAUD HIS
PARANOID, HE DID ASK ME FOR SEX
ONCE, AND I KNOCKED UNDER THE
TABLE AND SAID, "DID YOU HEAR
THAT?"
AND THAT WAS THE END OF THE SEX.
( LAUGHTER )
I KIND OF KNEW HOW TO HANDLE
HIM.
>> Reporter: TWO YEARS AGO, DR.
LIPPTON WAS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE
OF HIS OWN, SUSPECTED OF
MEDICARE FRAUD.
>> DR. LIPPTON, ANY COMMENTS?
>> Reporter: WHEN INVESTIGATORS
LOOKED INTO HIS BANK ACCOUNT,
THEY DISCOVERED THE CHECKS MADE
OUT TO JEANETTE AND TOMMIE.
THEY SAID, "LET'S MAKE A DEAL."
>> THEY BROUGHT MY CLIENT IN AND
BASICALLY SAID, "DR. LIPPTON, DO
YOU WANT TO GO TO JAIL FOR A
VERY LONG TIME?
WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER YOU ON
THIS MEDICARE STUFF.
OR DO YOU WANT TO COOPERATE AND
GET THE BROTHEL PEOPLE?"
>> Reporter: AS YOU MIGHT GUESS,
DR. LIPPTON AGREED TO HELP OUT,
HOPING FOR A WAY OUT OF HIS
MEDICARE MESS.
THAT'S WHEN LIPPTON TOLD THE
F.B.I. THAT DRUGS WERE SOLD AT
THE BROTHEL.
AND, AT FIRST, LIPPTON SEEMED TO
BE RIGHT.
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, TOMMIE WAS
HEARD BUYING POT. 
BUT THE F.B.I. ALSO HEARD A LOT
OF TALK ABOUT A MYSTERIOUS BAG.
>> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS
NATURALLY ASSUMED THEY WERE ON
TO SOMETHING BIGGER.
WHAT IS THE BAG?
AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CLEAR
THIS UP ONCE AND FOR ALL.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SHOW
IT ON TV.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE... PICK UP
THE BAG AT THE HOUSE.
THE COPS ARE GOING, "OH, GOD,
THEY'RE PICKING UP BAGS.
THEE
KILOS."
THE BAG CONSISTS OF A HAT,
HANDCUFFS, GLOVES, CHAINS.
>> Reporter: OH, THE BAG.
>> OH, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT THE
BAG... THE WHOLE DRUG ISSUE WAS
ABOUT, CHAINS AND WHIPS.
THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD THIS GREAT
DRUG THING GOING ON.
IT WAS OPPOSITE.
I WAS PLAYING THE POLICE.
>> Reporter: BAG OR NO BAG, THE
F.B.I. FAILED TO PRODUCE
EVIDENCE OF HARD DRUGS OR MOB
BOSSES.
5,000 CALLS LATER, INVESTIGATORS
CAME UP EMPTY, BUT DR. LIPPTON
GOT HIS SENTENCE CUT IN HALF.
>> OH, BABY.
>> I WILL TELL YOU, THERE WAS A
VERY BROAD CLIENT BASE INVOLVING
INDIVIDUALS FROM ALL OVER THE
CITY OF NEW ORLEANS AND IT'S
ENVIRONS.
>> Reporter: FEDAL PROSECUTORS
THREW THE BOOK AT THE WOMEN,
CHARGING THEM WITH PROSTITUTION
CONSPIRACY.
THEY FACE UP TO FIVE YEARS IN
PRISON.
BUT THEIR CLIENTS WERE NOT
CHARGED.
PROSECUTORS LET THE MEN OFF THE
HOOK.
>> WE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN
BUSINESS WITHOUT OUR CLIENTS.
CAN YOU IMAGINE RUNNING A
WHEHOUSE IF THE PHONE DON'T
RING?
>> Reporter: AND REMEMBER, SOME
OF THOSE CALLS CAME FROM PEOPLE
IN HIGH PLACES.
JEANETTE AND TOMMIE HIRED TOP
GUN VINNIE MOSCA TO DEFEND THEM.
YOUR CLIENTS GTO JAIL,, BUT
THE JOHNS, THE CUSTOMERS, GO
FREE?
>> I LIKE TO CALL THEM
"PENETRATORS."
THEY GET TO GO FREE.
>> Reporter: MOSCA ADVISED THE
WOMEN TO PLEAD GUILTY AND
COOPERATE WITH AUTHORITIES.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO ANSWER
TRUTHFULLY ANY QUESTIONS ASKED
OF THEM CONCERNING THE ENTIRE
INVESTIGATION.
>> Reporter: MEANING, IF
INVESTIGATORS HAPPEN TO ASK FOR
CLIENT NAMES...
>> YOU WILL GIVE THEM NAMES?
>> I WILL DO THAT.
p>> R JUST LIKE THAT,
NEW ORLEANS BECAME THE BIG
UNEASY.
DO YOU THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
WORRIED IN THIS TOWN THAT THESE NAMES COULD GET OUT?
>> EVERYBODY'S LIKE, "ARE YOU ON
THE LIST, ARE YOU ON THE LIST?"
>> Reporter: WHO'S NOT8ON THE
LIST?
THE CANAL STREET BROTHEL IS
REPUTED TO HAVE HAD 500
CUSTOMERS.
>> HOW MANY GUYS DID WE HAVE
TODAY?
>> AH, WE HAD JIM BOB, DANNY, WE
HAD STEVE, WE HAD MICHAEL, WE
HAD JOE.
>> Reporter: AND FROM WHAT WE
HEAR, A LOT OF THESE GUYS AREN'T
SLEEPING TOO WELL TONIGHT.
>> AND AT 5:30, STEVE WANTS TO
COME BACK AND SEE THE CAT GIRL.
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A WHOLE NEW OUTFIT IN ONE FELL SWOOP.
A CAMCORDER TO CATCH HIS BIGGEST MEMORIES.
AND EVERY TOOL FOR EVERY ONE OF HIS PROJECTS.
GET EVERYTHI AT THE PLACE DAD LOVES TO SHOP.
>> Reporter: DO YOU FEEL GOOD
ABOUT YOURSELF?
>> I HAVE MY GOOD DAYS AND I
HAVE MY BAD DAYS.
ON A WHOLE, NO.
>> Reporter: IS IT BECAUSE OF
WHERE YOU'VE BEEN?
>> BECAUSE OF WHERE I'VE BEEN
AND WHERE I MAY END UP.
>> Reporter: MONICA MONTEMAYOR
TURNED HER FIRST TRICK AT AGE
16, FOOWING RIGHT IN HER
MOTHER'S FOOTSTEPS.
>> I REMEMBER WALKING INTO A
CLUB AND SEEING MY MOTHER ON
STAGE, AND SHE WAS SO BEAUTIFUL.
OH GOD, SHE LOOKED LIKE AN
ANGEL.
>> Reporter: YOU WAN TO BE LIKE
HER?
>> YEAH, AND I GOT MY CHANCE.
ONLY THE LIFE DIDN'T SEEM THAT
BEAUTIFUL ONCE I WAS IN IT.
>> Reporter: SO, YOU ARE LIKE
HER.
>> YEAH.
YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY.
IT'S LIKE LOOKING IN THE MIRROR
>> I CAN'T BE AROUND HER
SOMETIMES, BECAUSE IT HURTS TOO
BAD.
I HAVE TO RELIVE MY LIFE ALL
OVER AGAIN EVERY TIME I SEE HER.
TWO LIVES, BUILT FROM THE SAME
BLUEPRINT OF PAIN.
>> Reporter: SO, HOW DO YOU
BREAK THE CYCLE JEANETTE?
>> YOU TALK ABOUT IT.
>> Reporter: "IT" IS THE PAST.
JEANETTE SAYS IT HELPS EXPLAIN
HOW THREE GENERATIONS OF WEN
WOUND UP IN THE SAME BROTHEL.
>> THE NIGHT I WAS MOLESTED, MY
MOTHER WAS OUT.
NOBODY WAS IN THE HOUSE THE
FIRST TIME, AND I HAD NOBODY TO
SCREAM OUT TO.
I WENT TO THE BATHROOM WHEN MY
UNCLE WAS FINISHED WITH ME, AND
I SCRUBBED AND SCRUBBED MY
STOMACH TILL IT WAS RAW.
>> Reporter: JEANETTE SAYS SHE
WAS JUST SIX YEARS OLD, AND THAT
THE MOLESTATION CONTINUED UNTIL
SHE WAS 11.
>> AND I'M SCRUBBING MYSELF,
CLEANING MYSELF, AND MY MOTHER
COMES HOME AFTER A NIGHT OF
PARTYING AND DECIDES THAT SHE'S
GOING TO KILL HERSELF.
SO, HERE I AM IN MY OWN PAIN,
BUT NOW I'M TAKING CARE OF MY
MOTHER AND HER PAIN.
>> ♪ I'VE GOING UP
I'VE BEEN DOWN.
>> Reporter: TOMMIE TAYLOR IS
NOT ONE TO TALK ABOUT HURT.
SHE PREFERS A LITTLE RED WINE TO
EASE THE WAY.
>> A LITTLE RED WINE AND THE
KINDNESS OF STRANGERS.
>> ♪ YEAH, YEAH, YEAH...
>> Reporter: TOMMIE GREW UP
ALONG THESE STREETS IN A STRING
OF BARS RUN BY HER MOTHER.
MEN GOT DRUNK AND BAD THINGS
HAPPENED.
>> OH, SHE FOUND THE BAR.
>> Reporter: TOMMIE WAS A BRIDE
AT 16; A WIDOW WITH CHILDREN AT
19.
>> BECAUSE OF ALL THE PAIN MY
MOTHER WAS IN, MY MOTHER WOULD
DRINK A LOT, COME HOME, CRY, AND
TELL ME ALL THESE HORRIBLE
STORIES.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO BURDEN HER
WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MY
LIFE.
>> Reporter: AND JEANETTE'S
BURDEN WAS ABOUT TO BECOME EVEN
MORE UNBEARABLE.
>> AND ONE TIME MY MOTHER WASN'T
AT HOME, AND I WAS HUNGRY.
>> Reporter: TO FEED HERSELF,
JEANETTE ADAPTED THE AWFUL
LESSON SHE SAYS WAS TAUGHT BY
HER UNCLE.
SHE WENT TO SEE ANOTHER MAN WHO
LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
JEANETTE HEARD HE WOULD GIVE YOU
A PRESENT IF YOU DID WHAT HE
WANTED.
>> AND WHEN HE WAS THROUGH WITH
ME, HE THREW A QUARTER ON THE
BED.
SO MY FIRST TRICK WAS FOR A
QUARTER AT EIGHT YEARS OLD.
>> Reporter: EIGHT YEARS OLD.
>> UH-HUH.
>> Reporter: BY AGE 12, JEANETTE
WAS SHOOTING DRUGS.
AT 13, SHE WAS A RUNAWAY, GANG
RAPED, AND LEFT FOR DEAD.
AT 23, SHEAS A MOTHER OF TWO
AND A PROSTITUTE.
>> LET ME SET THE RECORD
STRAIGHT, REAL QUICK, RIGHT NOW:
WHEN I FOUND OUT SHE WAS IN TO
IT, IT ALMOST KILLED ME.
>> Reporter: TOMMIE FOUND OUT
ABOUT IT BY READING A NEWSPAPERú
>> I OPENED UP THE FRONT PAGE
AND MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN
ARRESTED FOR PROSTITUTION AND
PANDERING.
I WAS NOT WELL.
NOT WELL.
I CAME TO TERMS WITH IT, BECAUSE
SHE IS MY DAUGHTER AND MY CHILD,
AND I LOVE HER REGARDLESS OF
WHATEVER HER CHOICES ARE.
>> Reporter: YET YEARS LATER,
TOMMIE MADE THE CHOICE TO WORK
IN HER DAUGHTER'S BROTHEL.
>> THERE'S NOTNG I'M GOING TO
BE ABLE TO SAY THAT'S GOING TO
JUSTIFY WHY I WAS INVOLVED IN
THIS.
MY BACK WAS UP AGAINST THE WALL.
I WAS ON THE VERGE OF BEING
EVICTED FROM MY APARTMENT.
THE THOUGHT OF BEING A HOMELESS,
IT SCARED THE HELL OF ME.
IT REALLY DID.
SO, TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT
THINK THE WORST ABOUT ME, YOU
KNOW, HEY, I'M PAYING FOR IT,
AND I'M PAYING GOOD.
>> Reporter: MONICA HAS PAID
DEARLY HER WHOLE LIFE.
>> I WATCHED MY MOTHER TAKEN
AWAY IN HANDCUFFS, I'VE BEEN
MOLESTED, I'VE BEEN RAPED, I'VE
BEEN MY MOTHER'S MOTHER.
>> Reporter: IT WAS JEANETTE'S
LIFE ALL OVER AGAIN: ABUSE AND
PAIN, FOLLOWED BY DRUGS AND
PROSTITUTION.
>> THERE WERE TIMES I WOULD COME
HOME AND I JUST WANTED TO BATHE
IN BLEACH.
"JUST LEAVE ME ALONE AND LEAVE
THE MONEY ON THE BEDSIDE TABLE."
YOU KNOW?
BUT THAT WAS NORMAL FOR ME.
THAT'S HOW I SAW MY MOTHER DO
IT.
SO IS IT... IF MY MOTHER DID IT
AND IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR HER,
THEN WHAT MAKES ME SO SPECIAL
THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE OUT
THERE FOR ME?
>> Reporter: MONICA SAYS
JEANETTE PUSHED HER INTO
THE BUSINESS.
JEANETTE SAYS MONICA THREATENED
TO SELL HERSELF ON THE STREET.
WHATEVER THE REASON, MONICA CAME
TO WORK IN HER MOTHER'S BROTHEL.
>> I KNEW SHE'D BE SAFE WITH THE
GUYS I'VE KNOWN FOR 20 YEARS.
I KNOW SHE WOULDN'T GET HURT.
>> Reporter: IN JEANETTE'S
UPSIDE-DOWN WORLD, SHE WAS
PROTECTING HER DAUGHTER,
JEANETTE MAIER.
>> SO, HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT MY
DAUGHTER WORKING?
I FEEL HORRIBLE AS A MOTHER.
I FEEL LIKE A FAILURE.
BUT TO HAVE HER WORK IN THIS
HOUSE IS A LOT BETTER THAN NOT
KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON OUT
THERE.
>> Reporter: THERE ARE A LOT OF
MOTHERS OUT THERE, A LOT OF
PARENTS OUT THERE, WHO WOULD
TOTALLY DISAGREE.
>> AND I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT,
BUT THEY DIDN'T WALK IN MY
SHOES.
>> Reporter: WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THIS PICTURE, WHAT THOUGHTS GO
THROUGH YOUR MIND?
>> I SEE A VERY SAD CHILD WHO
WALKED IN HER MOTHER'S FOOTSTEPS
BECAUSE SHE WANTED SO MUCH TO BE
LIKE HER MOTHER.
YOU WALK IN YOUR MOTHER'S
FOOTSTEPS WHEN SHE'S A DOCTOR OR
A LAWYER, BUT NOT A HOOKER.
>> Reporter: LONG AGO, JEANETTE
PROMISED MONICA HER LIFE WOULD
BE DIFFERENT.
BUT ONE LIFE WAS SPUN FROM THE
OTHER
AND NOW THERE'S A FOURTH
GENERATION TO WONDER ABOUT,
MONICA'S DAUGHTER, NEVEAH.
WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO KEEP THIS
LITTLE GIRL FROM FOLLOWING IN
HER MOTHER'S FOOTSTEPS?
>> I WILL NEVER ALLOW HER TO
KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.
THE THOUGHT OF HER THINKING OF
HERSELF AS A PIECE OF MEAT FOR A
PRICE, I'D RATHER DIE.
>> Reporter: MORE ON NEVEAH WHEN
WE RETURN.
T
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YOU COULDN'T ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS.
SOMETIMES, IT'S WHAT'S NOT SAID THAT'S IMPORTANT.
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>> Stahl: JEANNETTE MAYER HAD
BEEN RUNNING HER BROTHEL ON
CANAL STREET FOR SIX YEARS,
UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT'S YEAR-LONG
INVESTIGATION LED TO INDICTMENTS
AND THE PROSPECT OF PRISON.
THREE GENERATIONS OF WOMEN FROM
ONE FAMILY-- TOMMIE THE BROTHEL
KEEPER, JEANNETTE THE MADAM, AND
MONICA THE WORKING GIRL-- ALL
PLED GUILTY.
WHILE THEY AWAIT SENTENCING, THE
BIGGEST DRAMA IN NEW ORLEANS
SURROUNDS THE BROTHEL'S LITTLE
BLACK BOOK OF CLIENTS.
WILL THE WOMEN NAME NAMES, NAMES
THEY SAY INCLUDE THE CITY'S
BUSINESS AND POLITICAL ELITE?
ONCE AGAIN, HERE'SHAROLD DOW.
>> SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO
PAY FOR ALL THE MANPOWER AND ALL
THE MONEY SPENT.
SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY
FOR THIS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE
ME.
>> Reporter: DO YOU FEEL AS
THOUGH YOU'RE BEING MADE THE
SCAPEGOAT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Reporter: SIX MONTHS AFTER
THE INDICTMENTS, JEANETTE MAIER
IS RUNNING SCARED.
>> I GOT IN TROUBLE, GOT CAUGHT,
AND NOW I'M IN A SITUATION.
OH, THAT FEELS SO GOOD.
>> Reporter: HER PLAN IS TO KEEP MOVING.
IT'S EASIER THAN STOPPING TO THINK.
THE WAY THINGS STAND NOW, YOUR
MOTHER COULD GO TO JAIL, YOU
COULD GO TO JAIL, YOUR DAUGHTER
COULD GO TO JAIL.
>> I KNOW.
>> Reporter: YOU READY FOR THAT?
>> WELL, I WOULD HOPE THEY
WOULDN'T DO THAT TO ME.
NOW WE DO AN EASY RUN,
COME ON, WALK YOU RASCAL.
>> Reporter: SINCE THE CANAL
STREET BROTHEL WENT OUT OF
BUSINESS, JEANETTE'S HAD TO FIND
A NEW WAY TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
HIS NAME IS GAYLORD BURGAU.
>> HE'S SPOILED.
>> GAYLORD IS HELPING ME OUT AND
TAKING CARE OF ME.
AND HE'S BEEN AN ANGEL.
I MEAN, JUST SOMEONE WHO CAME IN
AT THE TIME WHEN I NEEDED IT
MOST.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO KEEP THE
CAMERA ON SOMEONE WHILE I PUT
LIPSTICK ON.
>> Reporter: BUT EVEN GAYLORD HAS HIS LIMITS.
JEANETTE AND HER MOTHER ROOMED TOGETHER FOR A WHILE TO SAVE ON
THE RENT.
>> WELL, SHOULD I PULL HER HAIR
OUT NOW, OR SHOULD I GO OUTSIDE AND SMOKE A CIGARETTE?
I THINK WE HE A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ONE
ANOTHER.
WE WORK ON IT.
>> Reporter: SO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR TIME?
>> I'M COOKING, FEEDING GAYLORD.
THAT'S WHAT I DO, I COOK.
I'M WRITING A COOKBOOK.
DO YOU WANT A SPOON TO EAT THAT
WITH?
>> NO, I LIKE SUCKING MY
NOODLES, AND IF PEOPLE DON'T
LIKE ME SUCKING MY NOODLES THEY
DON'T HAVE TO WATCH.
>> Reporter: WHAT'S THE BOOK
GOING TO BE CALLED? >> I WANTED TO CALL IT "BED
KNOBS AND BREADSTICKS," BUT THAT
WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO, YOU KNOW
( LAUGHS )
>> Reporter: "BEDKNOBS AND
BREADSTICKS?"
>> YES.
>> Reporter: JEANETTE'S WRITING
A BOOK, TOO.
SHE HASN'T DECIDED WHETHER
SHE'LL NAME NAMES, BUT HER
7OW WHO THEY ARE.
>> THANK GOD FOR THESE
COMPUTERS, HUH?
>> Reporter: BUT UNTIL THOSE
BOOK DEALS COME THROUGH, THE
BILLS KEEP PILING UP-- A HEAP OF
LEGAL ONES AND A MOUNTAIN OF
EMOTIONAL DEBT THAT CAN NEVER BE
REPAID.
>> IT'S GETTING VERY HARD.
YOU ALWAYS WANT SOMETHING BETTER
FOR YOUR KIDS.
I DID NOT WANT MY DAUGHTER TO DO
THIS.
AND EVERYONE SAYS, "HOW COULD
YOU WORK YOUR DAUGHTER, HOW
COULD YOU WORK YOUR DAUGHTER."
MY DAUGHTER WAS ON THE ROAD,
TOO, WORKING HERSELF.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EDIT
THIS WORD.
IT JUST [NO AUDIO] KILLED ME.
AND I FOUND OUT ABOUT IN THE
MOST UNBELIEVABLE WAY.
>> Reporter: HOW DID YOU FIND
OUT?
>> I ANSWERED THE PHONE.
>> Reporter: WHO WAS ON THE
OTHER END?
>> GUESS WHO?
>> HOWARD LIPPTON.
>> Reporter: YOU HEARD RIGHT,
DR. HOWARD LIPPTON, THE SAME
HOWARD LIPPTON WHO HELPED BRING
DOWN THE BROTHEL.
>> Reporter: AND WHAT'D HE SAY
TO YOU?
>> "THIS IS HOWA."
AND HE SAID, "I WANT TO SEE THAT
BLOND GIRL WITH THE PIERCED
TONGUE."
AND I'M GOING, "WHAT'S GOING ON
HERE?"
>> Reporter: IT WAS JEANETTE WHO
SET MONICA UP WITH DR. LIPPTON--
HER WAY OF KEEPING MONICA SAFE.
>> AND THEN BING, BANG.
I WENT, "OH, MY GOD, NO,
THIS CANNOT BE.
THIS CANNOT BE."
>> Reporter: TOMMIE FOUGHT TOOTH
AND NAIL TO KEEP HER
GRANDDAUGHTER OUT OF IT.
BUT OVER TIME, THE CALLSAME
IN, AND TOMMIE TOOK THEM.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> MONICA'S WORKING TODAY.
>> Reporter: HOW DID IT FEEL TO
HAVE YOUR GRANDMOTHER OR YOUR
MOTHER HOOK YOU UP WITH A JOHN.
>> IT HURT.
IT DIDN'T HURT FROM MY MOTHER.
WHO IT HURT FROM, WAS MY
GRANDMOTHER.
AND THE FIRST TIME SHE CALLED ME
UP AND SAID SHE HAD AN
APPOINTMENT, IT WAS LIKE
SOMEBODY HAD TOOK A DULL KNIFE
AND CARVED MY HEART OUT.
>> Reporter: BUT YOU TOOK THE
APPOINTMENT?
>> I TOOK THE APPOINTMENT
I'M JUST ANOTHER GIRL IN THE
STABLE.
IF SHE'S RUNNING THE PHONES AND
I'M THERE TO MAKE MONEY, I GOTTA
DO WHAT I GOTTA DO.
>> Reporter: THERE IS PLENTY OF
BLAME TO GO AROUND, BUT EACH
GENERATION AT THIS TABLE TAKES
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SINS OF
THEIR DAUGHTERS.
WHO DO YOU BLAME?
>> I BLAMEYSELF
>> Reporter: WHY?
>> BECAUSE IT WAS MY CHOICE.
>> Reporter: WHO DO YOU BLAME?
>> ME.
>> Reporter: YOU BLAME YOURSELF?
>> YES. >> Reporter: WHY?
>> CAUSE I WASN'T...
>> MOM.
>> Reporter: TAKE YOUR TIME.
IT'S OKAY.
WE'RE JUST TALKING.
IT'S OKAY, TOMMIE.
IT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> WELL, THAT WAS A FIRST.
>> Reporter: THIS IS...IT'S
OKAY. THAT'S... LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT
IT.
WHY DO YOU BLAME YOURSELF?
>> CAUSE I WASN'T... I COULDN'T
DO WHAT I WANTED TO DO FOR MY
KIDS.
I COULDN'T.
NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRIED, I
COULDN'T GIVE THEM ENOUGH, I
COULDN'T DO ENOUGH.
I COULDN'T... I WAS SO BUSY
WORKING.
I COULDN'T GIVE THEM THE
ATTENTION.
YOU KNOW, I WORKED.
THAT'S ALL I KNEW HOW TO DO.
AND THEY NEEDED MORE.
JEANETTE NEEDED MORE.
AND I COULDN'T GIVE HER ANY
MORE.
>> Reporter: AND IT PAINS YOU?
>> OH, GOD, YES.
YES.
WOULDN'T IT PAIN YOU, IF YOU
FELT LIKE YOU FAILED?
WELL, I FAILED.
AND AS A RESULT, MY DAUGHTER'S A
NOTORIOUS WHORE MADAM, I'M THE
BROTHEL KEEPER, AND HERE WE ARE.
>> Reporter: HOW MANY TIMES,
MONICA, HAVE YOU HEARD SOMEONE
IN YOUR FAMILY SAY, "I LOVE
YOU"?
>> A COUPLE.
I KNOW WHEN I LOOK AT MY
DAUGHTER AND I TELL MY DAUGHTER
I LOVE HER, I FEEL IT FROM MY
HEAD TO MY FEET.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
>> Reporter: MONICA SAYS SHE IS
DETERMINED TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF
PAIN AND PROSTITUTION THAT GRIPS
HER FAMILY, BUT SHE CAN'T DO IT
FROM A JAIL CELL.
HER WORST FEAR IS TO BE LOCKED
AWAY FROM HER DAUGHTER.
>> TO NOT BE ABLE TO WAKE UP AND
SEE HER FACE, YOU KNOW?
I CAN'T HANDLE THAT.
>> Reporter: NEXT, JUSTICE
SERVED UP NEW ORLEANS STYLE.
PAIN IN THE NECK. MY A
NOT JUST A PAIN IN THE NECK, I MEAN A HEADACHE
WITH PAIN IN THE NECK. AND SHOULDERS.
THAT'S WHY NOW,
I TAKE EXCEDRIN TENSION HEADACHE.
>> I'M SCARED TO DEATH.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M SCARED.
I'M NOT SCARED OF ANYTHING.
>> START A NEW LIFE AND GO ON
WITH MY LIFE.
WHY DO I FEEL LIKE I'M WALKING
THE LAST MILE HERE?
>> Reporter: AT THE END OF THIS
MILE SITS A COURTHOUSE AND A
JUDGE.
IT'S SENTENCING DAY FOR THE CANAL STREET MADAM AND THE
BROTHEL-KEEPER.
>> YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE
NERVOUS.
>> I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE
NERVOUS, BUT I HAVE BELIEF IN
THE SYSTEM THAT THEY'LL DO THE
RIGHT THING.
>> Reporter: IN A COURTROOM
CLOSED TO CAMERAS, JUDGE IVAN
LEMELLE BROUGHT UP THE ABUSE
JEANETTE SUFFERED AS A CHILD,
AND SAID IT WOULD AFFECT HER
SENTENCE.
THE JUDGE WENT ON TO SAY THIS
ENTIRE CASE COULD BE DESCRIBED
AS DYSFUNCTIONAL.
>> HELLO?
>> Reporter: AND HE SUGGESTED THE F.B.I. HAD BETTER THINGS TO
DO WITH ITS TIME.
>> CALL ME WHEN YOU GET
DOWNTOWN.
>> WILL SHE SUCK MY TOES?
>> I'LL ASK HER.
>> Reporter: NO JAIL TIME FOR
TOMMIE OR JEANETTE.
PROBATION FOR BOTH.
>> I FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S GIVEN
ME A NEW OPPORTUNITY TO START A
NEW LIFE.
>> Reporter: JEANETTE WILL HAVE
TO SERVE SIX MONTHS IN A HALFWAY
HOUSE, AND PAY A $10,000 FINE.
>> ARE THERE PLANS FOR A TELL ALL BOOK?
>> I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO
SUGGEST THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT
OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S AN OPTION.
>> Reporter: WHAT ABOUT THOSE NAMES?
WILL THOSE NAMES EVER COME OUT,
THE PEOPLE WHO PATRIOT TRONIZED
THE CANAL STREET BROTHEL?
>> WELL I'M GOING TO TALK TO MY
ATTORNEY, AND IF I HAVE MY
WAY, BECAUSE WHEN ALL THIS BROKE
NOBODY HELPED US.
OKAY?
AND IF I HAVE TO PUT OUT NAMES
IN ORDER TO SELL BOOKS, I'LL DO
IT.
>> Reporter: SO YOU'RE SAYING
THAT...
>> THIS ISN'T BRIBERY OR
EXTORTION.
I'M JUST SAYING I HAVE FINES TO
PAY. I TOOK MY RESPONSIBILITY, THEY
DIDN'T.
I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO
DO TO PAY MY FINES WITHOUT GOING
TO JAIL AGAIN.
AND IF THIS IS THE WAY I HAVE TO
DO IT, THIS IS WHAT I'LL DO.
>> Reporter: AND WHEN YOU SAY
YOU'LL NAME NAMES, YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE JUDGES, THE
DOCTORS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
POLITICIANS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT...
>> RESTAURATEURS.
>> Reporter: SPORTS FIGURES.
>> UM-MM.
eporter: THE STAKES WERE
EVEN HIGHER FOR MONICA.
SHE'S MADE A PROMISE TO HER
DAUGHTER SHE'S DETERMINED TO
KEEP.
>> SHE'S MADE COMMENTS TO ME
THAT SHE WILL DO WHATEVER IT
TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT NEVAEH
DOES NOT FALL INTO A LIFE OF
PROSTITUTION.
DAVID COURSELL IS MONICA'S
ATTORNEY.
>> I HOPE THAT SHE'LL BE ABLE TO AVOID JAIL TIME.
>> Reporter: BUT THERE IS NO
STORYBOOK ENDING FOR MONICA.
SHE DID AVOID JAIL, BUT LOST THE
THING MOST PRECIOUS TO HER.
>> JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I HAD
SEEN THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE
TUNNEL, AND TO HAVE HER TAKEN
AWAY FROM ME IT'S HEART
WRENCHING.
>> Reporter: MONICA LOST CUSTODY
OF NEVAEH, ACCUSED OF NEGLECT--
A CHARGE SHE VEHEMENTLY DENIES.
>> I MADE A PROMISE TO HER WHEN
SHE WAS BORN THAT I WOULD
PROTECT HER AND KEEP HER, AND I
FEEL AS THOUGH I FAILED AT THAT.
>> Reporter: THROUGHOUT THIS
CASE, THE WOMEN HAVE INSISTED
THEIRS WAS A VICTIMLESS CRIME--
NOBODY GOT HURT.
BUT NOW THEY SAY THEY CAN SEE
MORE CLEARLY HOW MUCH THEY WERE
HURTING THEMSELVES.
>> I WANT ALL THE PAIN TO STOP.
THE PAIN WITH MY CHILDREN, THE
PAIN WITH THIS FAMILY.
I JUST WANT IT TO STOP.
NOTHING TO SAY ♪
>> Reporter: WHEN IT HURTS TOO
MUCH, MONCA PLAYS THIS SONG TO
HELP HER GET THROUGH IT.
♪ BUT IT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH
>> I'M ASKING GOD TO SEND ME AN
AINGELE, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE T
PAIN AWAY.
♪ GOD SEND ME AN ANGEL FROM THE
HEAVENS ABOVE ♪
>> Reporter: AND SHE PROMISES
HERSELF NEVAEH'S LIFE WILL BE
DIFFERENT.
>> Stahl: WILL MONICA EVER GET
HER DAUGHT >> Stahl: WILL MONICA EVER GET
HER DAUGHTER BACK?
SHOULD SHE?Ñv
>> Stahl: IN THE SIX YEARS
JEANETTE MAYER RAN THE CANAL
STREET BROTHEL, SHE ESTIMATES
SHE MADE MORE THAN ONE MILLION
DOLLARS, BUT SHE SAYS TODAY SHE
HAS NOTHING LEFT.
JEANETTE IS NOW LIVING IN A NEW
ORLEANS HALFWAY HOUSE, SERVING
OUT HER SIX-MONTH SENTENCE.
AS FOR MONICA, SHE'LL HAVE TO
-KE PARENTING CLASSES AND
SUBMIT TO DRUG TESTING IF SHE
HOPES TO REGAIN CUSTODY OF HER
BABY GIRL, NEVAEH.
WITH THEIR UNCONVENTIONAL
BUSINESS SHUT DOWN FOREVER, IT
LOOKS LIKE A LONG ROAD BACK TO
REBUILDING THIS FAMILY.
THAT'S "48 HOURS INVESTIGATES"
FOR TONIGHT.
NOW, HERE'S A LOOK AT OUR NEXT
BROADCAST.
>> GARRETT WILSON HAS A
>> THIS CRIMINAL CASE IS ABOUT
LYING, LYING TO THE FBI, LYING
TO THE SEC, AND LYING TO
INVESTORS.
THAT IS CONDUCT THAT WILL NOT BE
TOLERATED BY ANYONE.
MARTHA STEWART IS BEIN
PROSECUTED NOT BECAUSE OF WHO
SHE IS, BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE
DID.
>> STEWART PLEADED NOT GUILTY
AND HER ATTORNEYS TODAY RELEASED
A STATEMENT VOICING SUSPICIONS
THAT FEDERAL ATTORNEYS MAY BE
MOTIVATED FACT SHE IS A
CELEBRITY.
>>> THE DOW HIT A MILESTONE
TODAY TOPPING THE 9,000 MARK FOR
THE FIRST MINE TEN MONTHS.
THE NASDAQ MOVED UP ANOTHER 31
POINTS AND THAT IS A 52-WEEK
HIGH.
>>> COMING UP,
>>> MARIJUANA ADVOCATE ED
ROSENTHAL GETS OFFREE
BUT HE IS NOT CLAIMING VICTORY.
AND SPUD NICK FOR SALE?
HOW COULD RUSSIAN SATELLITE
END UP ON eBAY?
>> Reporter: AND AS WE TAKE A
LOOK AT OUR OWN SATELLITE, WE
FIND A LOT OF FOG ON IT AND
WE'LL INTRODUCE SOMETNG NEW, ASR
RO VIDZ MARIJUANA TO PATIENTS
WHO NEED IT.
LEGAL UNDER A VOTER APPROVED
LAW.
BUT SINCE FEDERAL LAW TRUMPS
STATE LAW, CLUNS LIKE THIS ARE
ILLEGAL IN THE EYES OF THE
GOVERNMENT AND THE FACT ED
ROSENTHAL WON'T BE SENT TO
PRISON BRINGS LITTLE HOPE.
>> E
PLEASED SEA FREE MAN. OF HOWEVER THERE ARE TOO MANY
OF US YET THAT REMAIN IN
PRISON OR HAVE THE STRESS AND
THE FEAR FACTOR.
ARE WE NEXT? >> Reporter: THOSE IN THE
MEDICAL MARIJUANA BUSINESS SAY
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF GROWERS
LIKE ED ROSENTHAL AND THE DRUG
ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IS VOWING
TO GO AFTER THEM, TOO SAYING
QUOTE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO
PROTECT COMMUNITIES IN THE BAY
AREA FROM THE DANGERS OF
ILLEGAL DRUGS.
ANYONE DISTRIBUTING MARIJUANA
IS BREAKING FEDERAL LAW THERE.
HAS BEEN NO CHANGE IN THE LAW.
BUT THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE
MEDICAL MARIJUANA SAY THE
FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN.
>> WE HAVE A LOT TO DO TO
CHANGE THE LAWS SO THAT PEOPLE
WHO ARE IN ED ROSENTHAL'S
CIRCUMSTANCES DON'T HAVE TO GO
THROUGH WHAT HE DID SO THAT
THE JURIES GET THE FULL
EVIDENCE IN THESE TRIALS.
>> Reporter: A SKESPERSON
FOR THE CLUB IN BERKELEY SAYS
SHE DOES SEE THE DECISION AS A
VICTORY FOR THE MOVEMENT AND
SAYS SINCE ED ROSENTHAL
RECEIVE NOD JAIL TIME, SHE IS
HOPEFUL OTHER GROWERS MAY
RECEIVE LENIENCY.
>>> THE BAY AREA MOTHER OF A STP
CLOSER TO BANNING LATE-TERM
ABORTIONS.
GREG EXAMS THE NEW SHOWDOWN
OVER ABORTION.
GREG? >> Reporter: IT IS THE BIGGEST
CHANGE IN ABORTION LAW SINCE
ROE VS WADE.
IT CURVES ABORTION ABUSES.
THE OPPONENTS SAY IT IS THE
BEGINNING OF END OF LEGAL
ABORTIONS. >> THE BILL OUTLAWS A RARELY
USED ABORTION PRACTICE.
TO THOSE WHO OPPOSE ABORTION
IN ANY FORM IT GIVES NEW HOPE.
>> A MEASURE OF RELIEVE, AND
TRIUMPH, YES.
>>> OR IS IT THE BEGINNING OF
THE END?
>> THIS LEGISLATION FOR THE
FIRST TIME SINCE ROE VS WADE
CRIMINALIZES ABORTION.
IT PUTS DOLLAR DOCTORS UNDER
THREAT OF CRIMINAL APPELLANTS.
IF THEY DECIDE THAT A WOMAN
WHO PACE FACES A CRISIS
PREGNANCY NEEDS TO TERMINATE
THAT PREGNANCY AND A PROCEDURE
IT IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT HER
HEALTH.
>> Reporter: USED IN 1/10th OF
1% OF ABORTIONS IT ENDS THE
LIFE OF THE FETUS AFTER PART
OF IT EMERGES FROM THE MOTHER.
TWO VERSIONS OF THE WERE
VETOED BY THEN PRESIDENT
CLINTON. THE U.S. SUPREME COURT STRUCK
DOWN A SIMILAR LAW IN 2000.
THIS ONE WILL FACE CHALLENGE
IMMEDIATELY.
>> WE ARE HOPING THE SUPREME
COURT WILL DETERMINE THAT THIS
IS A HUMAN BEING, A LIVE BABY,
AND THAT PARTIAL BIRTH
ABORTIONS SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.
>> IN HIS STATE OF THE UNION
ADDRESS HE URGED CONGRESS TO
BRING HIM AN ABORTION LAW HE
COULD SIGN. THE HOUSE AND SENATE DID, BY
WIDE MARGIN.
>> THE FIRST STEP, IN MY VIEW,
TO CRIMINALIZING ALL ABORTION
PROCEDURES AND ENDING LEGAL
ABORTION ENTIRELY.
>> Reporter: THE LAW STATE
BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT WILL
REST ON WHO IS VOTING.
SANDRADALE O'CONNOR WAS THE
SWING VOTE THAT STRUCK DOWN.
HE IS HINTING AT RETIREMENT.
PRESIDENT BUSH IS WIDELY
BELIEVED TO BE LOOKING FOR
ANTI-ABORTION JUSTICE TO
REPLACE HER.
>> PRESIDENT BUSH HAS PUSHED
ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS AS
CLOSE AS THEY HAVE BEEN IN
YEARS.
COMING UP NEXT, THE PROMISES
THEY MADE AND THE TROUBLE THEY
ALREADY FACE.
>>> AND BACK FROM AFGHANISTAN.
SOME BAY AREA SOLDIERS HOME
FROM THE WAR.
AND WHY THEY WOULD GO BACK IN
A MINUTE. >>> AND IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES
WE WILL HAVE YOUR BAY AREA
FORECAST AND PEEK INTO THExl
>>> TEMPERATURES IN THE BAY
AREA, COMFORTABLE.
PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT IT SHOULD
BE. THE FORECAST COMINGG
LOT HERE.
WITNESSES SAY HE RAMMED THE
MOSQUITO BEHIND THE RESTAURANT,
WITNESSES SAY HE RAMMED THE MOSQUITO BEHIND THE RESTAURANT, THEN, TOOK OFF IMMEDIATELY.
>>> A LONG RUNNING SPACE MYSTERY
IS BACK IN THE SPOTLIGHT TONIG
TONIGHT.
A FIRM SPECIALIZING IN SOVIET
COLLECTIBLES WAS SELLING AN
ORIGINAL S
BACKUP SPUDNICKS BUT MORE THAN
FOUR HERE IN CIRCULATION.
THE FORMER SOVIET UNION LAUNCHED
SPUDNICK BACK IN 1957 SETTING
OFF THE SPACE RACE WITH THE
UNITED STATES.
BURNED UP IN THE EARTH'S
ATMOSPHERE AND LAST CHECK
TONIGHT, eBAY HAS PULLED THE
ITEM FROM ITS AUCTION LISTING.
SO THE MYSTERY CONTINUES.
>>> MONEY PROBLS JUST KEEP
CHIPPING AWAY AT BAY AREA'S
SCHOOL SYSTEMS.
TONIGHT, THE WEST CONTRA COSTA
SCHOOL BOARD ANNOUNCED A NEW
ROUND OF BUDGET CUTS.
THE MEETING WAS PACKED ÑKbs
REPORTER TED ROWLANDS IS LIVE
NOW WITH DETAILS..
GIFT.. FOR TROOPS WHO'VE
SERVED OVERSEAS RECENTLY..
IT COM FROM A BROTHEL IN
NEVADA.
MEDICAL MARIJUANA ADVOCATE ED
ROSENTHAL IS A FREE MAN TODAY.
A FEDERAL JUDGE SENTENCED
ROSENTHAL TO ONE DAY IN JAIL
AND A 13-HUNDRED DOLLAR FINE.
THE JUDGE GAVE ROSENTHAL
CREDIT FOR THE DAY HE'D
ALREADY SERVED WHEN HE WAS
ARRESTED. PROSECUTORS HAD
WANTED A SENTENCE OF SIX AND
A-HALF YEARS. A JURY
CONVICTED ROSENTHAL OF GROWING
MARIJUANA IN AN OAKLAND
WAREHOUSE. THE CONVICTION
CAME LARGELY BECAUSE THE JUDGE
WOULDN'T ALLOW THE JURY TO
KNOW IT WAS MEDICAL MARIJUNA
THAT ROSENTHAL WAS GROWING.
DESPITE HIS LIGHT SENTENCE...
ROSENTHAL STILL HAD SOME
STRONG CRITICISM FOR THE JUDGE.
THE JUDGE ALSO PUT
ROSENTHAL ON PROBATION. HE CAN'T POSSESS
ANY ILLEGAL DRUGS FOR THE NEXT
THREE YEARS... MEANING NO MORE
GROWING MARIJUANA... NOT EVEN
FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES. ED
ROSENTHAL NOW JOINS ROSS TO
DISCUSS HIS CASE.

SCOTT PETERSON'S FORMER
GIRLFRIEND.. SAYS A GAG ORDER
IN THE DOUBLE MURDER CASE
COULD PREVENT HER FROM
MILLION NG HER REPUTATION.
HELP REBUILD IRAQ.
WHAT STRATORS CRITICIZE
ECHTEL'S PROFITING
SHOULD TRACT
TO IRAQI FIRMS.
ART OFWN
URING THE MORNING
COMMUTE.
>>> AND mPó<=S%b)
MOTIONS IN COURT.
HEARD E UMENTS
AUTOPSY SE
AND PETERSON
HER UNBORN SON.
NSISTS THETION
HE FULLF
AND RELEASED,
A L CONSIDER
REVENT ATTORNEYS TO THE MEDIA.
HE PETERSON
HAVE HER TO
VOICE HEARD.
ASKING A TTORNEY
A GAG ORDER.CT
FROM NT FREY
DEFENDING HERSELF. A HAVING
ETERSON BUT WITH
DOESN'T THEY
WERE MARRIED.
A KING NEWS,
PROPOSAL NISTRATION
THE ININ SE
NEVADA.AVY
F LOGGINGT
IRE HAZARDS
PROTECT LD
WILDLIFE IN THE AREA.
PRESENT T
HE CLINTON
IT IS TOO TION AND
RESTRICTIVE.
IT A ONMENTALISTS CALL
MAJOR SETBACK.
EYEING MINATOR
THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION.
CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR
GOVERNOR.
E WILLENEGGER SAYS
AND S ME
I THINK IS
BETTER.
AKE ANY
FTER THE UNTIL
ELEASE OF TERMINATOR
3. AS GOTTENBUSH
MARIJUANA. YESTERDAY HE ED ROSENTHAL WAS
SENTENCED TO ONE DAY IN PRISON
FOR GROWING POT PLANTS.
THE JUDGE ORDERED HIM TO ABIDE
BY STATE AND FEDERAL DRUG
LAWS.
BUT SAID HE SAID HE IS NOT
GOING TO SLOW DOWN HIS FIGHT,
LEGALIZING POT FOR MEDICINAL
AND RECREATIONAL USE.
THEOLUMBIA'S" LAUNCH.
INSULATION SHED FROM THE
EXTERNALUEL TANK STRUCK THE
LEADING EDGE OF THE SHUTTLE'S
LEFT WING.
AT THE TIME, NASA RULED OUT ANY CHANCE THAT THE FOAM HAD CAUSED
SIGNIFICANT DMAGE.
AND EVEN AFTER THE ACCIDENT, TOP
OFFICIALS CONTINUED TO DISCOUNT
THE FOAM.
BUT THE TEST NOW STRONGLY
SUGGESTS NASA'S ASSUMPTIONS WERE
WRONG.
INVESTIGATORS BELIEVE THE FOAM
STRIKE LIKELY CREATED A SMALL
HOLE IN THE LEADING EDGE OF THE
LEFT WING.
WITH THAT, "COLUMBIA" HAD NO
CHANCE TO GET HOME.
AS THE SHUTTLE BEGAN ITS FIERY
REENTRY, HOT GASSES ENTERED THE
WING, CREATING A BLOW-TORCH
EFFECT.
THE 3,000-DEGREE TEMPERATURES
MELTED THE ALUMINUM STRUCTURE,
AND ULTIMATELY DESTROYED THE
SHUTTLE.
NOW INVESTIGATORS ARE PREPARING
THR FINAL REPORT, LARGELY
BLAMING THE LOSS OF "COLUMBIA"
ON A NASA CULTURE THAT TOLERATED
REPEATED MISTAKES AND UNNECESSARY RISKS.
BOB ORR, CBS NEWS, WASHINGTON.
>> Rather: IN IRAQ TODAY, A U.S.
50 YEARS OLD -- MOVEMENT, IS
50 YEARS OLD THIS WEEK.
IT'S REACHING A WHOLE NEW
GENERATION OF READERS.
>> ♪
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>> Reporter: THERE IS HISTORY
IN THESE WALLS.
>> FIVE MONTHS BEFORE THE
NOVEMBER, 2000, ELECTION,
GOVERNOR JEB BUSH...
>> Reporter: IDEAS WITHIN
EVERY BINDING.
>> THIS BOOKSTORE STARTED A
SMALL REVOLUTION.
>> Reporter: A REVOLUTION THAT
BEGAN ON A CORNER IN NORTH
BEACH IS NOW THE CORNERSTONE
OF A MOVEMENT.
>> WE OPENED ABOUT JUNE 6TH,
WHICH WAS D-DAY, 1953.
IT WAS JUST A ONE-ROOM
BOOKSTORE. IT WAS THE FIRST PAPERBACK
BOOKSTORE IN THE COUNTRY.
>> Reporter: THIS POET HEARD
THE CALL AS A YOUNG MAN, BUT
IT WAS THE WORDS OF ANOTHER
MANHAT INSPIRED HIM.
>> [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] THE POLICE
THOUGHT IT WAS A DIRTY BOOK.
>> I SAW THE BEST MINDS OF MY
GENERATION DESTROYED, STARVING,
HYSTERICAL, NAKED.
>> WE STARTED PUBLISHING THEM
IN '55. >> Reporter: IT BECAME THE
HOME BASE FOR THE FREE-SPEECH
MOVEMENT.
>> THERE ARE BOOKSTORES, NONE
MORE BELOVED.
>> Reporter: ONE FINDS
UNIVERSAL INFLEXIONS.
>> Reporter: THESE DAYS CITY
LIGHT IS SOMETHING OF A TIME
CAPSULE IN A CHANGING
RENEE WAS A SHOW-STOPPER IN A
GLUED-ON-HER-BODY CAROLENE A
HERRERA.
>> A NEW MUST-HAVE ACCESSORY.
YOU DON'T HAVE A PAIR OF LONG
GLOVES AND YOU'VE GOT AN EVENT
TO GO TO, GET THEM.
>> Reporter: CINDY LEVIE ALSO
GIVES THUMBS UP TO SHAR A
JESSICA'S STRAPLESS BUSTIER
DRESS. >> SHE IS A GLAMOUR DO.
>> Reporter: P. DIDDY WAS SHARP
IN A TUX AND HIGH-WATTAGE BLING
BLING, BUT HE WAS UPSTAGED BY
HIS MOM.
>> SHE COMES BEHIND ME, SHE GETS
MORE SCREAMS THAN ME.
>> Reporter: JODY FOR THER WAS A
GLOM OR DO WEARING A FLIRTY FELL
MINUTE BLACK ARMANI WITH A V
NECK AND A BIAS CUT HEM WHILE
DIANE LANE STOOD OUT IN A PANTS
SUIT AND CLIFTA FLOCK HEART'S
BLACK ARMANI WAS ALSO A FASHION
WINNER. >> A VERY SIMPLE DRESSCUSATIONSD
THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, THE
ADMINISTRATION EMBELLISHED THE
EVIDENCE; AT WORST, MISLED THE
WORLD.
SURROUNDED BY HIS CABINET THIS
MORNING, PRESIDENT BUSH WAS
AGAIN INSISTENT SADDAM HUSSEIN
WAS AN IMMINENT THREAT.
>> IRAQ HAD A WEAPONS PROGRAM.
INTELLIGENCE THROUGHOUT THE
DECADE SHOWED THEY HAD A WEAPONS PROGRAM.
I AM ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED WITH
TIME WE'LL FIND OUT THAT THEY
DID HAVE A WEAPONS PROGRAM.
>> Reporter: BUT MUCH OF THE
INTELLIGENCE HE USED IN THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST SADDAM WAS FAR
LESS CERTAIN.
A DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
REPORT LAST SEPTEMBER STATED
THERE IS "NO RELIABLE
INFORMATION ON WHETHER IRAQ IS
PRODUCING AND STOCKPILING
CHEMICAL WEAPONS," THOUGH IT DID
CONCLUDE "IRAQ PROBABLY HAS
THEM."
A DECLASSIFIED C.I.A. REPORT
FROM THE SAME TIME WAS FAR MORE
DEFINITIVE, DECLARING: "BAGHDAD
HAS CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL
WEAPONS"
THERE IS LITTLE EVIDENCE ON THE
GROUND TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM.
OTHER THAN TWO SUSPECTED MOBILE
LABS, THE U.S. HAS COME UP EMPTY
IN ITS HUNT FOR WEAPONS.
AS FOR IRAQ'S TIES TO TERROR,
TWO OF AL QAEDA'S TOP OPERATIVES
IN U.S. CUSTODY SAY BIN LADEN
CONSIDERED BUT REJECTED THE IDEA
OF AN ALLIANCE WITH SADDAM.
TWO SENATE COMMITTEES ARE
LOOKING INTO WHAT ADMINISTRATION
OFFICIALS KNEW, AND WHAT THEY
SAID.
>> I'M VERY TROUBLED BY THE
EVIDENCE THAT EXISTS THAT
INTELLIGENCE WAS SHADED AND THAT
THERE WERE EXAGGERATIONS ALONG THE WAY IN MANY, MANY WAYS.
>> Reporter: IF THE INTELLIGENCE
WAS SHADED OR MANIPULATED, IT
COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT SCANDAL
FOR THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE,
POTENTIALLY "WORSE THAN
WATERGATE" SAYS ONE MAN, WHO
REMEMBERS THAT ERA WELL.
>> IF BUSH HAS DELIBERATELY
TURNED TO THE INTELLIGENCE
AGENCIES AND TOLD THEM WHAT HE
WANTS, RATHER THAN WHAT THEY
WERE GIVING HIM, I THINK HE'S IN
BIG TROUBLE.
>> Reporter: THE WHITE HOUSE
STILL BELIEVES THE ISSUE WILL GO
AWAY.
AS ONE OFFICIAL SAID TODAY, IT'S
THE PRESS THAT'S KEEPING THE
STORY GOING.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST DON'T
CARE. DAN?
>> Rather: JOHN ROBERTS AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE U.S. DEATH TOLL IN IRAQ
CONTINUES TO GROW.
ANOTHER AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS
BEEN SHOT TO DEATH, THIS TIME,
AT A CHECKPOINT NEAR THE SYRIAN
BORDER.
AND CBS' DAVID HAWKINS REPORTS
TONIGHT THAT, IN SPITE OF HEAVY
U.S. REINFORCEMENTS AND CONSTANT
PATROLS, ONE TOWN WEST OF
BAGHDAD REMAINS DEADLY DANGEROUS
FOR AMERICANS.
>> Reporter: ALMOST EVERY NIGHT
IN FALLUJA, THERE'S ANOTHER
AMBUSH OF U.S. SOLDIERS PATROLLING THE TOWN'S STREETS.
>> INSTEAD OF BEING THE HUNTER,
IT'S ALMOST AS IF WE'RE BEING
HUNTED.
>> Reporter: THE ARMY HAS SENT
ABOUT 1,500 REINFORCEMENTS TO
FALLUJA, BUT MORE TROOPS MEANS
THERE ARE MORE TARGETS.
>> SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE WAITING
FOR US, BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU
SEE A PATROL HEAD OUT, AS SOON AS IT LEAVES THE GATES, THE
FLARES GO UP.
THE LIGHTS GO OUT SO THEY'RE
JUST KIND OF WAITING TO AMBUSH
US.
>> Reporter: THAT, AND THE FACT
THAT MOST OF THE AMBUSHES START
WITH A ROCKET PROPELLED GRENADE
LAUNCHED AT AN AMERICAN VEHICLE,
WHICH IS THEN FOLLOWED BY
MACHINE GUN FIRE FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, HAS LED THE
MILITARY TO DESCRIBE THE
AMBUSHES AS "COORDINATED
ATTACKS."
IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, THREE
AMERICAN SOLDIERS HAVE BEEN
KILLED IN FALLUJA.
MORE THAN A DOZEN HAVE BEEN WOUNDED.
IT'S THE CENTER OF RESISTANCE
AGAINST THE U.S.-LED OCCUPATION OF IRAQ.
FALLUJA NEVER REALLY SURRENDERED.
>> THEY CAN BE WAVING AT YOU ONE
MINUTE, THE NEXT MINUTE THEY'RE SHOOTING AT YOU.
>> FOR EVERY AMERICAN THEY KILL
IT'S LIKE A BIG THING FOR THEM.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CLOSE CALLS-- TOO MANY CLOSE CALLS, REALLY.
>> Reporter: IT'S SAFER ON FOOT,
SAY THE SOLDIERS OF THE 101ST
AIRBORNE.
UNLIKE HUMVEES OR ARMOR, THEIR
PATH THROUGH FALLUJA'S NARROW
STREETS IS UNPREDICTABLE, MAKING
AN AMBUSH MORE DIFFICULT BUT NOT
IMPOSSIBLE.AGENTS HAVE NOW TAKET
UNDERWATER, TO A 50,000-GALLON
POND IN MARYLAND.
CBS' JIM STEWART REPORTS WHY
THIS, WHY NOW.
>> Reporter: THE F.B.I. HAS BEEN
HERE BEFORE.
SCUBA DIVERS SEARCHED THE BOTTOM
OF THIS SUBURBAN MARYLAND POND LAST WINTER.
IT'S WHAT THEY FOUND THEN THAT'S
BROUGHT THEM BACK NOW FOR A MORE
THOROUGH LOOK.
WHAT THEY RECOVERED LOOKED LIKE
THIS: A RECTANGULAR, TRANSLUCENT
PLASTIC STORAGE BOX WITH A SNAP-
ON LID AND A HAND-SIZED HOLE CUT
IN ONE END.
THE THEORY IS THAT THE PERSON
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ANTHRAX
ATTACKS ASSEMBLED THE LETTERS
UNDERWATERN THE BOX TO AVOID
EXPOSING HIMSELF.
BIOTERRORISM EXPERT DR. STEVEN
HATFILL REMAINS THE F.B.I.'S TOP
SUSPECT, BUT IT'S NOT CLR WHAT
COECTION HATFILL AND THE POND HAVE.
IT'S ALSO NOT CLEAR WHETHER SUCH
A MAKESHIFT LAB WOULD HAVE
WORKED, OR WHY THE F.B.I. WAITED
SO LONG TO DRAIN THE POND IF THEY'VE HAD THE BOX SINCE LAST
WINTER.
MAYBE, SOME INVESTIGATORS
SUGGEST, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE RUN OUT OF OTHER LEADS TO
FOLLOW.
CBS' MARK STRASSMANN IS COVERING
THE OUTBREAK, AND WHAT APPEARS
TO BE THE CAUSE.
>> Reporter: PRAIRIE DOGS,
POPULAR AS EXOTIC PETS, SUDDENLY
POP INTO VIEW AS CARRIERS OF AN
EXOTIC DISEASE CALLED MONKEYPOX,
A VIRUS NEW TO THE U.S., AND
POTENTIALLY DEADLY.
>> AT THIS POINT WE DON'T KNOW
HOW MANY ANIMALS OR HUMANS MAY
BE INVOLVED AND WE DON'T KNOW
THE EXTENT OR SCOPE OR THE
PROBLEM.
>> Reporter: IN THREE MIDWESTERN
STATES, PEOPLE WHO CAME INTO
CONTACT WITH SICK PRAIRIE DOGS,
DOZENS OF THEM, DEVELOPED
BLISTERS, LESIONS, AND FEVER--
SYMPTOMS LINKED TO MONKEYPOX, AN
AFRICAN VIRUS RELATED TO SMALLPOX, BUT LESS DEADLY.
IN MILWAUKEE, EILEEN WHITMARSH'S
PET STORE SELLS PRAIRIE DOGS,
AND SHE GOT SICK.
>> THE CHILLS AND THE FEVER AND
THE ACHINESS.
AND I JUST THOUGHT I GOT THE FLU.
>> Reporter: HER DOCTORS
DIAGNOSED MONKEYPOX. HER PESTORE WAS QUARANTINED.
HEALTH EXPERTS SAY THIS U.S.
OUTBREAK HAS SPREAD ANIMAL-TO-
HUMAN, ANIMAL-TO-ANIMAL,
INCLUDING ONE SICK RABBIT, BUT
SO FAR, NOT HUMAN-TO-HUMAN,
ALTHOUGH THAT'S POSSIBLE.
THE INVESTIGATION IS FOCUSING ON
ONE SHIPMENT OF 38 PRAIRIE DOGS,
THAT CAME INTO CONTACT WITH A SICK GAMBIAN GIANT RAT, LIKE
THIS ONE.
THE PRAIRIE DOGS WERE THEN SOLD
AMONG EXOTIC PET DEALERS IN TEXAS, ILLINOIS, AND WISCONSIN.
>> OUR END POINT IS TRYING TO
ENSURE THERE'S NO SPREAD OF
INFECTION BEYOND THOSE WHO MAY
HAVE BEEN ALREADY BEEN IN
CONTACT.
>> Reporter: PRAIRIE DOGS LITERALLY GET SUCKED OFF RANCH
LAND AND SOLD IN PET STORES.
>> COME ON, BABY.
COME ON.
>> Reporter: EXPERTS SAY THE GENERAL HEALTH THREAT IS REMOTE.
BUT THEY CAUTION EVERYONE SHOULD
REMEMBER THE WEST NILE VIRUS,
WHICH BEGAN WITH A SINGLE
INCIDENT IN 1999.
>> THIS VIRUS HAS NOW SPREAD AS
OF LAST YEAR TO 44 STATES AND
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.
>> Reporter: GEORGIA IS ONE
STATE THAT BANS THE SALE OF
PRAIRIE DOGS.
IN THOSE THAT ALLOW IT, THE NEW
ISSUE WITH THESE ANIMALS IS
WHETHER MORE THAN THEIR CUTENESS
IS CONTAGIOUS.
MARK STRASSMANN CBS NEWS,
ATLANTA."4zDçalxAG
TUTANK
THAT NETTED NEARLY 10% OF
TULIA'S BLACK POPULATION-- A
BUST SO LARGE, IT EARNED THE
NARCOTICS AGENT IN CHARGE THE
TITLE OF TEXAS LAWMAN OF THE
YEAR.
BUT TOM COLEMAN WAS A LAWMAN IN
NAME ONLY.
ALTHOUGH HE SWORE UNDER OATH THAT EACH OF THE SUSPECTS HAD
SOLD HIM COCAINE, HE HAD LITTLE
PROOF.
NO FINGERPRINTS, NO AUDIO OR
VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, NOT EVEN A
SINGLE CORROBORATING WITNESS.
IT WAS HIS WORD AGAINST THEIRS,
AND HERE IN TULIA, HIS WORD
USUALLY WON.
UNTIL YEARS LATER, WHEN THE
CALLS OF RACISM GOT LOUD ENOUGH,
THE JUDGE FINALLY AGREED TO TAKE
A SECOND LOOK, AND FOUND
COLEMAN'S METHODS AND CHARACTER
WERE SO UNRELIABLE, HIS WORD WAS
WORTH NOTHING.
HITTING BAY AREA STREETS DRUMMING SUPPORT AGAINST
THE RECALL GOVERNOR DAVIS
CAMPAIGN. WE FOUND VOTERS SIGNING ON
EVEN THOUGH THE PETITIONS ARE
SYMBOLIC AND CAN'T STOP THE
RECALL. >> I BELIEVE THAT THE RECALL
IS UNNECESSARY AND A WASTE OF
TAXPAYER MONEY.&
>> I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT DAVIS
BUT I'M NOT BASICALLY THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE
RECALL HAVE POLITICS THAT I
DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH.
>> Reporter: IT IS A TWO WEEK
OLD CAMPAIGN BASED IN
SACRAMENTO CALLED TAXPAYERS
AGAINST THE GOVERNOR'S RECALL.
HITTING ON TWO THEMES THE
ESTIMATED 20 TO 30 MILLION
DOLLAR COST OF A RECALL
ELECTION AND THE CONSERVATIVE
POL,
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN DARRELL
ISSA.
>> THIS IS ESSENTIALLY
TANTAMOUNT TO A RIGHT-WING
COUP. >> Reporter: THE SAN FRANCISCO
CONSULTANT ADVISING THE GROUP
ADMITS THEY'RE GETTING A LATE
START.
>> AT THE POINT THAT HE
ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS GOING TO
PUT IN LARGE SUMS OF MONEY TO
DATE OVER THREE-QUARTERS OF A
MILLION DOLLARS TO QUALIFY
THIS THING FOR THE BALLOT.
WE BEGAN TO REALLY TAKE THIS
THING SERIOUSLY. >> Reporter: BUT NOW WITH
NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS OF
HIS OWN THE GROUP IS PLANNING
AN ALL-OUT ASSAULT INCLUDING
RADIO AND TV ADS.
>> YOU WILL SEE A FULL FLEDGED
CAMPAIGN RUNNING ON EVERY
CYLINDER.
>> Reporter: BUT THEY HAVE
THEIR WORK CUT OUT FOR THEM
EVEN IN HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC SAN
FRANCISCO.
28% OF VOTERS POLLED GIVE THE
GOVERNOR FAILING MARKS FOR HIS
OVERALL PERFORMANCE. AND THE RECALL EFFORT SAYS IT
ALREADY HAS 700,000 OF THE
900,000 SIGNATURES NEEDED TO
GET ON THE BALLOT THIS FALL.
>> HERE IN CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR
GRAY DAVIS --
>> Reporter: THEY'RE HOPING A
NEW RADIO CAMPAIGN WILL PUT
THEM OVER THE TOP.
>> AT THE END OF THE DAY
CALIFORNIA VOTERS WILL REJECT
THIS. >> Reporter: ROZ PLATER,
CHANNEL 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS.
>>> IT'S BEEN NEARLY 24 HOURS
SINCE THE CONSTITUTIONAL
DEADLINE LAPSED FOR STATE
LAWMAKERS TO PASS A BUDGET.
CALIFORNIA FACES A $38 BILLION
DEFICIT AND LEGISLATORS HAVE
YET TO ADOPT A NEW BUDGET.
>>> LAWMAKERS MET TODAY BUT
BOTH PARTIES SEEMED STUCK ON
THEIR POSITIONS.
DEMOCRATS WANT TO RAISE TAXES,
REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT
SPENDING.
>> OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE AISLE CONTINUE TO
SPEND MONEY THAT WE DON'T
HAVE.
FRANKLY DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE
PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.
WE DO NOT IN FACT HAVE A
REVENUE PROBLEM WE HAVE A
SPENDING PROBLEM.
>> REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ARE
UNWILLING TO PUT UP A VOTE ON
REVENUES WHICH WE KNOW WE'LL
HAVE TO DO IN THE END I THINK.
>> TAXES.
>> EXACTLY.
>> NOW IF A NEW BUDGET ISN'T
PASSED BY JULY FIRST, THERE
COULD BE SOME STATE LAYOFFS.
>>> WELL, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC
BISHOP OF PHOENIX IS FACING
SOME POSSIBLE CHARGES FOR HIS
ROLE IN A FATAL HIT-AND-RUN
ACCIDENT.
67-YEAR-OLD BISHOP THOMAS
O'BRIEN WAS ARRESTED TODAY.
HE'S ACCUSED OF DRIVING ONE OF
TWO CARS THAT STRUCK AND
KILLED A PEDESTRIAN SATURDAY
NIGHT.
BOTH VEHICLES LEFT THE SCENE.
>> THE BISHOP IS COOPERATING
WITH THE INVESTIGATORS AND
SPEAKING TO THEM.
HE DOES STATE THAT HE WAS OUT
THAT EVENING DRIVING THE VEHICLE AROUND AND IN THAT
AREA. HE ALSO STATES THAT HE'S THE
ONLY PERSON THAT DRIVES THAT
CAR. >> Reporter: KILLED IN THAT
HIT-AND-RUN 43-YEAR-OLD JIM
REED.
EYEWITNESSES REPORTED
O'BRIEN'S LICENSE NUMBER WHEN
HIS VEHICLE WAS SEIZED BY
POLICE ITS WINDSHIELD WAS
FOUND CAVED IN.
BISHOP O'BRIEN RECENTLY
AVOIDED PROSECUTION ON CHARGES
OF COVERING UP SEXUAL ABUSE BY
PRIESTS IN HIS DIOCESES.
>>> THE WAR IN IRAQ MAY
TECHNICALLY BE OVER BUT
HOSTILE ATTACKç÷.!Q8T?p.
>> THEN IT COMES DOWN AND
SNAPS INTO PLACE LIKE THAT.
>> Reporter: KETTER FROM
INDIANA IS DRIVING FROM SAN
FRANCISCO TO NEW YORK.
>> TO START OUT WE PULL THIS
BACK.
>> Reporter: IN A 1903 WINTON
TOURING CAR HE PLANS RETRACE
THE TRIP OF DR. JACKSON.
>> ON THE AFTERNOON OF MAY
23rd, 1903, THEY WERE READY TO
GO. >> Reporter: FILMMAKER KEN
BURNS FOLLOWS JACKSON ON THE
TWO MONTH TREK IN A NEW
DOCUMENTARY.
>> THE TWO MEN STARTED DOWN
SAN FRANCISCO'S MARKET STREET.
>> Reporter: JACKSON HAD NO
&PS AND NO EXPERIENCE JUST A
MECHANIC AND STRAY DOG.
HE WAS DRIVEN BY SHEER DESIRE
AND FUELED BY A GOOD SENSE OF
HUMOR.
>> I THINK THE RATIO REPRESENTS
OPTIMISM.
EVERYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG
ON THIS TRIP DOES GO WRONG.
>> HE LOST HIS GLASSES AND HIS
MONEY AND HIS OVERCOAT.
HE LOST HIS COOKING UTENSILS.
IT WAS HILARIOUS THING.
>> Reporter: COMMITTEESLING
WILL HAVE IT EASIER WITH PAVED
ROADS AND A FEW EXTRA PARTS
INCLUDING AN AUTOMATIC
STARTER.
ORIGINAL WINTON IS IN
SMITHSONIAN BUT THIS IS THE
SAME CAR IT RUNS ON A TWO
CYLINDER ENGINE.
>> WE CAN GO FROM 0 TO 40 IF
THE ROAD IS FLAT AND THERE'S
NO TRAFFIC.
>> WE TOOK THAT ROAD FOR
MILES. >> Reporter: 100 YEARS AGO
THERE WERE NO BIG RIGS TO
CONTEND WITH AND GAS WAS
THEREOF CENTS A GALLON.
BUT THE SPIRIT BEHIND THE
JOURNEY REMAINS THE SAME.
>> I ALSO THINK THIS NOTION OF
EXPLORATION OF DISCOVERY IS AT
THE HEART OF WHO WE ARE.
>> Reporter: PETER KESLING
WILL PULL INTO NEW YORK CITY
ON JULY 26th THE SAME DAY
NELSON JACKSON ENDED HIS
JOURNEY AND STARTED AN
AMERICAN SUMMERTIME TRADITION.
SUE KWAN, CHANNEL 5 EYEWITNESS
NEWS. >> TAKE YOUR TIME.
SIT BACK.
ENJOY THE SCENERY.
>> SURPRISED TO HEAR GAS WAS
ONLY 35 CENTS A GALLON BACK
THEN. IT'S A GOOD THING GAS HASN'T
GONE UP AS MUCH AS HOUSING
PRICES IN THE BAY AREA.
>> WE WOULD BE POOR.
>> YEAH.
COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS A
GALLON PLEASE. HERE WE GO ARE.
READY YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS
WHENEVER I DO THIS THAT MEANS
IT'S GOING TO GET HOT
SOMEWHERE IN THE BAY AREA
LET'S GO.
THESE WERE TEMPERATURES FROM AROUND THE BAY AREA TODAY.
WE HAD SOME 90s BUT YOU KNOW
INTERESTINGLY IT'S ONLY THE
BAY AREA FRIENDS ONE OF ONLY A
COUPLE PLACES IN THE ENTIRE
WORLD WHERE YOU CAN GO FROM
90s TO 60s IN ABOUT 30 OR 40
MILES. 60s ALONG THE COAST TODAY.
SO HERE'S THE DEAL.
T IN THE PACIFIC THIS IS A
MONSTER OF A STORM FOR THIS
TIME OF THE YEAR. IT WILL MOVE INTO THE PACIFIC
NORTHWEST PROBABLY EVENTUALLY
BRING SOME RAIN TO EXTREME
NORTHRN CALIFORNIA.
UP AROUND THE REDWOOD COAST
MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.
FOR US IT'S GOING TO COOL US
DOWN EVENTUALLY.
IN THE MEANTIME, TONIGHT
MOSTLY CLEAR WE'RE SEEING A
LITTLE PATCHY FOG ALONG THE
COAST.
WARM INLAND FOR YOUR TUESDAY.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
IF IT GETS TOO HOT FOR YOU
INLAND JUST HEAD FOR THE
COAST. 60s THERE AGAIN WITH SOME
PATCHY FOG.
AROUND THE REST OF THE STATE
BY THE WAY, TAHOE 83, LOS
ANGELES 78, NORTH COAST 60
DEGREES AND YOUR BAY AREA
TEMPERATURES PLEASE WE'LL
START THE TOUR SANTA CRUZ NICE
DAY TOMORROW 71.
MORGAN HILL 87, GILROY 8.
SAN JOSE WILL SEE A HIGH
TEMPERATURE TOMORROW NOT QUITE
AS HOT AS IT WAS TODAY.
LET'S GO WITH 82.
84 DEGREES SUNNYVALE.
FREMONT 84 DEGREES.
MOUNTAIN VIEW WITH 80.
SAN FRANCISCO SHOULD CHECK IN
WITH A LITTLE FOG IN THE
MORNING OTHERWISE 69 FOR A
HIGH TEMPERATURE.
LOW 60s SAN MATEO COUNTY
COASTLINE. OAKLAND AT 78.
SAN LEANDRO 79.
NOW WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE
CENTRAL VALLEY OBVIOUSLY WE'RE
GOING TO BE WARMING UP.
CONCORD, FOR EXAMPLE, 95.
WALNUT CREEK 94 BUT THEN
ANTIOCH AT 96 FOR TOMORROW.
NORTH BAY WE RUN THE GAMUT 60s
COASTSIDE TO 80s WELL INLAND.
AWAY YOU GO.
SO TOMORROW IS THE HOT ONE.
NOT QUITE AS HOT AS TODAY
INLAND BUT GIVEN THE TIME OF
THE YEAR PRETTY WARM.
THEN WE KNOCK THEM DOWN COME
WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. WE SORT OF LEVEL OUT FROM
THERE. >> AND FOLKS IF YOU GET REALLY
HOT JUST COME BY THE STUDIO
BECAUSE IT'S FREEZING IN HERE.
>> AS ALWAYS PERFECT RIGHT
NOW.
>> PERFECT. THANK YOU.
>>> WHEN WE COME BACK,
REMEMBERING HUME CRONYN.
SEVEN DECADES OF A GREAT
ACTOR. N8$0y
LISTEN TO THIS.
I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
HILLARY CLINTON IS ON THE SHOW
TONIGHT.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS, BUT
APPARENTLY SHE'S WRITTEN A
BOOK.
( LAUGHTER)
IF YOU HAD TOLD ME THREE AND A
HALF YEARS AGO THAT HILLARY
CLINTON WOULD BE BACK ON THIS
SHOW, I WOULD HAVE SAID, WE'LL
BE ON THE AIR IN THREE AND A
HALF YARS?
REALLY? REALLY?
THAT'S POSSIBL THIS BOOK, AND THE THING IS
LIKE A BLOCKBUSTER, IT'S SOLD
LIKE 200,000 COPIES.
AND SHE'S BEEN ON OTHER SHOWS,
SHE WAS ON THE LARRY KING LIVE
SHOW, YOU KNOW, LARRY KING,
THAT HUMP.
( LAUGHTER)
SHE WAS ALSO ON THE CHARLIE
ROSE SHOW.
>> Paul: YES, SHE DID CHARLIE
ROSE.
>> Dave: SHE WAS ON THE TODAY
SHOW, A MULTI PART INTERVIEW
ON THE TODAY SHOW WITH DAY TEE
COURIC, AND NOW HERE SHE IS
WITH ME.
AND I, WHAT DO I KNOW?
>> Paul: YEAH.
>> Dave: I GOT NOTHING TO SAY.
>> Paul: WHAT DO YOU KNOW?
>> Dave: WELL, I'LL ASK HER
ABOUT THE TYPE FACE.
( LAUGHTER)
THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> Paul: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT
TO ASK HER?
BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S BEEN
COVERED. >> Dave: BUT THE BIG PROBLEM
IS, WELL, YOU KNOW THIS OR NOT,
YOU'RE DEALING WITH A DUMB GUY.
>> Paul: NO NO NO, WHAT MAKES
YOU SAY THAT?
>> Dave: WELL, BECAUSE I'VE
HAD 56 YEARS OF LIFE
EXPERIENCE TO SUPPORT THAT POINT OF VIEW.
AND HERE, HILL RODHAM CLINTON
WILL COME OUT AND BE
SENATORIAL AND I'LL JUST BE
LIKE A DUCK.
>> Paul: NO, S YOU DON'T HAVE
A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO JUSTICE
TO HER IN THE INTERVIEW, IS
THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> Dave: YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE
THAT. I THINK IN THE END IT WILL BE
FINE BECAUSE FROM THE SECOND
SHE SITS OWN SHE WON'T STOP
TALKING.
>> Paul: OKAY.
>> Dave: AND I'LL SIT HERE
LIKE THIS AND GO, OH YEAH.
LIKE I'M
WERE HERE YOU WANTEDO BE
SENATOR.
NOW YOU ARE SENATOR.
HOW IS THAT GOING?
>> NOT BAD.
NOT BAD.
YOU KNOW.
>> Dave: ARE YOU ENJOYING IT?
>> YEAH, I REALLY AM.
IT'S VERY HARD WORK, BUT I
LOVE REPRESENTING NEW YORK,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PLACE
LIKE IT IN THE WORD.
AND I HAVE THE HONOR OF DOING
THAT EVERY DAY, IT'S A GREAT
PRIVILEGE. >> Dave: AND I GUESS IN SOME
CASES THE DYNAMIC EXISTS WHERE
BY YOU'RE NOW WORKING WITH IT
AGAINST PEOPLE THAT AT ONE
POINT YOU CONSIDERED ENEMI
OR REGARDED AS TROUBLE IN YOUR
LIFE?
HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THOSE
SITUATIONS? >> IT TAKES TIME, BUT I AM,
I'M WORKING WITH A LOT OF
PEOPLE ACROSS THE AISLE FROM
ME.
AND WHERE WE CAN WE WORK
TOGETHER, AND WE TRY TO DO
THINGS THAT WE BOTH BELIEVE
WILL HELP OUR CONSTITUENTS.
BUT IT'S NOT EASY, BUT I HAVE
FOUND A LOT OF THE REPUBLICAN
SENATORS AND MEMBERS OF THE
HOUSE WHO I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE
TO BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY PRETTY
GOOD GUYS, GOOD TO WORK WITH,
AND WHEN EVER I CAN I DO.
>> Dave: IT'S INTERESTING TO
ME, AS I MENTIONED THIS AT THE
TOP OF THE SHOW, I KNOW
NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS, I JUST
SIT HERE AND WATCH IT GO BY.
( LAUGHTER)
AND IT LOOKED FOR A LONG TIME
LIKE THE DEMOCRATS WERE GOING
TO BE IN POWER FOREVER.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST HAD THAT
FEELING, JUST HAD THAT LOOK.
AND NOW, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT
THE GUYS WHO HAVE SAID THAT
THEY WANT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT
IN 04 AND YOU THINK, OH.
AS A DEMOCRAT, AND A WOMAN...
( APPLAUSE)
AS A WOMAN WHO SPENT EIGHT
YEARS OF YOUR LIFE IN THE
WHITE HOUSE, THE HIGHEST
POSITION IN THE WORLD, WHAT IS
YOUR ASSESSMENT NOW OF YOUR
TEAMMATES WHO MIGHT BE RUNNING
FOR THE OFFICE IN 04?
>> I HAVE A HIGH ESTIMATE FOR
THEM, AND I THINK WE HAVE A
VERY GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING IN
04. I KNOW THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE
SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW MAY SEE
THAT, BUT I THINK WHEN IT GETS
TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ECONOMY
AND OTHER ISSUES, I THINK WE
HAVE A GOOD SHOT.
>> Dave: WHO DO YOU LIKE OUT
OF THE GROUP? >> I LIKE THEM ALL.
( LAUGHTER)
>> Dave: EVEN DENNIS KUCINICH?
>> I KNOW THEM ALL, I LIKE
THEM ALL, AND I'M GOING TO
SUPPORT WHOEVER THE NOMINEE
IS.
I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT IT
TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET KNOWN
IN THE COUNTRY, AND FOR PEOPLE
TO MEET EVERYBODY AND FOR THE
ELECTORATE TO TUNE IN.
WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER THINGS ON
OUR MINDS, LIKE CLEMENS
WINNING 300, I WAS THRILLED
THAT HE WAS ON THE SHOW AND I
GOT TO MEET HIM AND
CONGRATULATE HIM.
( APPLAUSE)
>> Dave: LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
THE ECONOMY, YOU MENTIONED IT,
WE'RE LOSING 70,000 JOBS A
MONTH, SOME REMARKABLE
STATISTIC LIKE THAT.
THE ECONOMY NOT WITH STANDING
IF IN FACT YOU CAN EVEN SAY
THAT, IS GEORGE W. BUSH
INVINCEIBLE FOR 04?
>> NO.
IN A DEMOCRACY NOBODY IS.
OBVIOUSLY, HE'S IN A STRONG
POSITION, HE'S GOING TO HAVE A
LOT OF RESOURCES.
BUT EVENTUALLY PEOPLE LOOK AT
THE EVIDENCE ABOUT WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN THEIR OWN LIVES.
AND I THINK THIS ECONOMY,
UNFORTUNATELY, IS GOING TO
STAY IN A STAGNANT POSITION,
IT'S NOT CREATING JOBS, MORE
PEOPLE ARE OUTS OF WORK FOR
LONGER PERIODS OF TIME, WE'VE
GOT MORE PEOPLE FALLING BACK
INTO POVERTY.
THERE ARE SOME REAL PROBLEMS,
AND THEY'RE NOT BEING DEBT
WITH IN MY OPINION.
>> Dave: DO THE DEMOCRATS,
SPECIFICALLY THIS GROUP OF
GUYS, ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE DECLARED THEY
WANT TO RUN, DO THEY HAVE THE
SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM?
>> WELL, I THINK IF THEY GET A
CHANCE TO BE HER THEY'VE GOT
SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS.
WE SHOULD GO BACK TO HAVING
SOME FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IN
THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
GOING INTO THESE HUGE DEFICITS
AND DEBT, WHICH IS NOT GOOD
FOR PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND JOB
CREATION. WE COULD DO A LOT BETTER THAN
WE ARE. >> Dave: HOW MUCH OF THE
ECONOMY'S CIRCUMSTANCES NOW IS THE RESULTS OF A THE ATTACK
9/11 AND CYCLIC AL FINANCIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES?
>> YOU'RE SO SMART.
( APPLAUSE) >> Dave: YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
>> YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TWO
FACTORS THAT OBVIOUSLY HAVE
INFLUENCED WHERE WE ARE.
BUT THEY DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR
THE TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS IN THE
BUDGET THAT WE HAVE NOW.
WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT TAX
CUTS, THEY SHOULD BE
AFFORDABLE, I DON'T THINK YOU
SHOULD BE RUNNING A GOVERNMENT
ON YOUR CREDIT CARD, LIKE I
DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE
LIVING YOUR LIFE ON YOUR
CREDIT CARD AND WHEN DO YOU
YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS.
SO 9/11 CERTAINLY HAS HAD ANTE
EK, PARTICULARLY HERE IN NEW
YORK, THERE'S ALWAYS A
BUSINESS CYCLE.
BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TO MAKE
THESE TERRIBLE TRAGIC EVENTS
AND THE INEVITABLE EVEN WORSE
THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
>> Dave: DO WE HAVE A TAX
PACKAGE PASSED NOW, DID IT GO
THROUGH, IS THAT UP AND
RUNNING NOW? >> WELL, YEAH, FOR PEOPLE LIKE
YOU AND ME IT'S GOING TO BE
GREAT NEWS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S
GOING TO MEAN WE THROW 500,000
KIDS OUTS OF AFTER SCHOOL,
TAKE 88,000 POLICE OFF THE
STREE AND DO A LOT OF OTHER
THINGS THAT NOBODY VOTED FOR.
SO YOU AND I CAN FEEL, I GUESS,
A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE
WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME HUGE
TAX CUT.
BUT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS
GOING TO GET WITH ONE HAND AND
GET TAKEN AWAY WITH ANOTHER,
BECAUSE STATE TAXES, LOCAL
TAXES, COLLEGE TUITION, OTHER
THGS ARE GOIN TO GO UP, AND
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
>>ave: SO THE REPUBLICAN
DEFENSE FOR THIS TAX CUT AS I
UNDERSTAND IT IS, IF PEOPLE
HAVE MORE MONEY, THEY'RE MORE
LIKELY TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND
THAT CREATES NEW JOBS AND THAT
HELPS EVERYBODY.
THAT'S A FALL HASY?
>> WELL, IT IS AT LEAST AN
OVERSTATEMENT.
BECAUSE THEIR THEORY IS IT'S
THE OLD SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS,
IT'S THE TRICKLE DOWN, WHICH
THEY TRIED IN THE 1980s AND I
DON'T THINK IT WORKED ALL THAT
WELL.
WHAT THEY NOW HAVE COME BACK
AND SAID, THE MORE WE GIVE
AWAY IN TAX CUTS TO PEOPLE WHO
ARE ALREADY WEALTHY, WE DON'T
EVEN WANT TO GIVE A CHILD TAX
CREDIT TO PEOPLE WHO MAKE
BETWEEN 10 AND 26,000, BECAUSE
AFTER ALL THEY DON'T PAY INCOME TAX, ALTHOUGH THEY PAY
A HIGHER PROPORTION OF THEIR
INCOME IN TAXES THAN YOU AND I
DO. BECAUSE THEY PAY EVERY OTHER
KIND OF TAX.
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE
OF THEM. AND THE OTHER DAY IN
THE NEWSPAPER THERE WAS THIS
CLASSIC CASE WHERE PEOPLE WHO
AE MAKING LIKE SAY $80,000
WHO ARE BEING GIVEN A TAX CUT,
THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO
CHANGE THE WAY HEY CALCULATE
STUDENT LOANS SO, IF THEY HAVE
A KID IN COLLEGE THAT TAX CAN
YOU IS GONE BECAUSE THEY'LL
HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR THE
STUDENTS LOANS.
IT'S A SHELL GAME.
SO THE RICH ARE GOING TO GET A
WHOLE LOT RICHER AND WE'RE
GOING TO BE LEAVING MORE AND
MORE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE
BEHIND. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY
AMERICA IS SUPPOSED TO RUN.
>> Dave: WHAT IS THE AVERAGE
INCOME OF AMERICANS?
>> THE AVERAGE INCOME IS
DEPENDING UPON WHERE YOU LIVE.
IT'S BETWEEN IN A STATE LIKE
OURS, 50, 70,000.
BUT THERE ARE MANY MANY PEOPLE
IN WHAT THEY CALL THE LOWER
25% WHO ARE GETTING BY ON LESS
THAN $25,000.
AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS --.
>> Dave: THAT'S HARD TO
IMAGINE, ISN'T IT, REALLY?
>> IT IS, AND I THINK WE
SHOULD WANT TO MAKE WORK PAY
AND WE SHOULD TELL PEOPLE HOR
GETTING UP EVERY DAY AND
WORKING HARD AND RAISING THEIR
KIDS, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT
EASIER FOR YOU, NOT HARDER FOR
YOU, HARDER TO GET A JOB,
HARDER TO KEEP A JOB, HARDER
TO FINE CHILD CARE, HARD TORE
PAY COLLEGE TUITION.
WE ARE A GREAT COUNTRY BECAUSE
OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE
AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS.
>> Dave: WELL, BY GOD, I'M
TAKING A PAY CUT.
I'M GOING TO DO MY PART.
( APPLAUSE)
HOW'S THAT NEW DOG WORKING
OUT?
IS HE ALL RIGHT?
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE WITH
SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON.
( APPLAUSE)
>> Dave: THIS IS THE BOOK,
"LIVING HISTORY".
ON THE BACK I BABY AWARE OF
THIS, AT SOME POINT IN YOUR
LIFE YOU WERE DATING GRIZZLY
ADAMS.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
HOW DID THAT PICTURE GET ON
THERE?
>> Dave: EVERYBODY, PAUL
INCLUDED, ASSUMES THAT YOU'RE
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
I'VE HEARD YOU SAY ENDLESSLY
THAT YOU'RE NOT RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT.
HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?
I MEAN, GOOD LORD IN THE BOOK
YOU WERE PRESIDENT OF
EVERYTHING ELSE.
ANY KIND OF ORGANIZATION YOU
WERE THE PRESIDENT OF, AND SO
I'M WONDERING, IS THIS, AND
THE OTHER THING THAT I HEARD A
LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT
OVER THE WEEKEND IS THIS SETS
THE RECORD STRAIGHT OF THE WHITE HOUSE YEARS.
IT'S NOW ON RECORD, YOU CAN
CLOSE THE DOOR ON THAT CHAPTER
OF YOUR LIFE AND GO FORWARD
AND THEN REFER ANYBODY TO THE
BOOK WHEN THEY BRING UP
ANYTHING FROM THAT PERIOD.
IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
ACTUALLY I WANT TO GO ON THE
ROAD WITH PAUL.
THAT'S MY --.
>> Paul: NOW YOU'RE TALKING!
SURE. ONLY THE FINEST HOTELS, ONE
NIGHT I OPEN, ONE NIGHT YOU
OPEN. >> IT'S A DEAL, TELL IT LIKE
IT IS.
>> Dave: BUT IF SAM DONALDSON
YESTERDAY SAID YOU WERE
RUNNING IN 04, AND YOU SAY YOU
MADE A COMMITMENT TO STAY
SENATOR.
WOULD YOU RUN IN 08?
>> I SAID I HAVE NO INTENTION
TO RUN.
>> Dave: BUT HAVE YOU EVER
TOLD LIKE YOUR HUSBAND, YOU
KNOW, ONE DAY I WOULD REALLY
LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT, HAVE YOU
EVER TOLD ANYBODY THAT,
WHETHER OR NOT YOU RUN OR NOT?
NO, YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU
THAT? >> Dave: WELL, YEAH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, EVEN IF
YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT, YOU
COULD TELL US WITHOUT
COMMITTING ABOUT IT.
>> OBVIOUSLY I SAW IT FOR
EIGHT YEARS, AND IN A VERY
FRONT ROW SEAT.
AND IT IS A REALLY HARD JOB.
YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT,
FOCUSED, LET'S SAY, THAT'S THE
NICEST WORD TO TAKE THIS ON.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
IT, OUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE
TWO PEOPLE WHO SHARE THE
RESPONSIBILITIES.
EVERYBODY ELSE HAS LIKE A KING
OR A QUEEN AND A PRIME
MINISTER AND A PRESIDENT OR A
PRIME MINISTER.
WE PUT THE ENTIRE BURDEN ONTO
ONE PERSON.
IT'S AN AWESOME AND
OVERWELLING RESPONSIBILITY.
>> Dave: NOW, COULD YOU RUN
FOR PRESIDEN BERTS IN 04,
LET'S SAY YOU'RE NOT RUNING IN
04? >> I'M NOT.
>> Dave: HYPOTHETICALLY
SPEAKING YOU'RE RUNING IN 08,
COULD YOU RUN AND GET AWAY
FROM THE TROUBLES OF YOUR
HUSBAND'S PRESIDENCY, OF HIS
ADMINISTRATION? OR WOULD THAT ALWAYS BE A
PROBLEM?
>> WELL, I RAN FOR THE SENATE
AND WHAT I SAID WAS THAT MANY
OF THE POLICYS OF THE CLINTON
ADMINISTRATION WERE GOOD FOR
AMERICA, AND I WANT TO
CONTINUE THOSE POLICIES, AND
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO
IN THE SENATE.
EVERYBODY HAS TO BE JUDGED ON
HIS OR HER MERITS, SO I WOULD
HOPE PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT ME
NOW THAT I'M IN OFFICE MYSELF
AND WILL SEE HOW I VOTE, SEE
WHAT I SAY AND JUDGE ME FOR
WHAT I DO.
>> Dave: LET ME ASK AWE COUPLE
QUESTIONS OF THINGS THAT I
REMEMBER WERE GOING ON AT THE
TIME WHEN THERE'S WITH A THE
TROUBLE WITH PAULA JONES AND
TER THE TROUBLE WITH MONICA
LEWINSKY. IT WAS SAID TO ME BY A HALF
DOZEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE, IF
YOUR HUSBAND AT SOME POINT HAD
ONLY SAID, IT'S NOBODY'S
BUSINESS, IT'S MY PERSONAL
LIFE, EVERYTHING THAT CAME
THERE AFTER MIGHT HAVE BEEN
AVOIDED, THE IMPEACHMENT AND
ALL THE UNPLEASANTNESS, WAS
THAT TRUE, DID THAT MAKE LEGAL
SENSE, WAS THAT POSSIBLE?
>> YOU KNOW, DAVE, I DON'T
KNOW. I LOOK BACK ON THAT TIME, AND
OBVIOUSLY I THINK THINGS THAT
WERE PERSONAL AND PRIVATE
SHOULD REMAIN PERSONAL AND
PRIVATE.
BUT THEY WERE UNFORTUNATELY
PUT INTO THE PUBLIC ARENA AND
HAD TO BE DEALT WITH.
>> Dave: BUT COULD HE HAVE
CONTROLLED THAT BY SAYING THIS
IS MY LIFE AND I DON'T
IMMEDIATE TO ANSWER THIS,
LEGALLY WAS THAT A POSITIONE
COULD HAVE TAKEN?
>> I JUST DON'T KNOW THE
ANSWER TO THAT, I REALLY
DON'T.
I THINK PART OF WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT IT WAS AT THE END OF
MANY YEAR EFFORT TO TRY TO
ACCUSE HIM, ME, MANY PEOPLE OF
VARIOUS THINGS, AND THAT WAS
THE MINE SET THAT EVERYBODY WAS IN AT THE TIME.
>> Dave: THE OTHER SITUATION
WAS AFTER THE REVELATION OF
MONICA LEWINSKY, THE THOUGHT
WAS THAT YOU WOULD FINISH OUT
THE TERM WITH YOUR HUSBAND,
AND THEN LIKELY SEPARATE OR
DIVORCE. WAS THAT EVER A POSSIBILITY,
DID YOU EVER CONSIDER THAT?
>> WELL, CERTAINLY, IT HAD TO
CROSS MY MIND BECAUSE I WAS IN
SUCH A TERRIBLE SITUATION,
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO
DO.
BUT WHAT I WRITE ABOUT IN MY
BOOK IS A DECISION THAT I MADE
ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND TO WORK
ON OUR MARRIAGE, TO TRY TO
REPAIR IT, AND IT WAS THE
RIGHT DECISION FOR ME.
AND I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR
ANYBODY ELSE. PEOPLE SAY, WELL, SHE SHOULD
HAVE DONE THAT, SHE SHOULD
HAVE DONE THIS, BUT YOU KNOW,
EVERYBODY HAS TO LIVE HIS OR
HER OWN LIFE.
AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE
DECISIONS THAT ARE RIGHT FOR
YOU, NOT RIGHT FOR ANYBODY
ELSE, AND THAT'S WHAT I TRIED
TO DO.
>> Dave: HOW MANY MARRIAGES IN
THIS COUNTRY HAVE ENDURED
SOMETHING SIMILAR, I WOULD
THINK IT WOULD BE A STAGGERING
NUMBER.
>> I THINK THAT EVERY MARRIAGE
IS FACED WITH CHALLENGES, NOT
ALL THE SAME, BUT THERE ARE
MANY THINGS OBVIOUSLY THAT GO
ON IN A RELATIONSHIP.
AND EVERYBODY EVERY DAY HAS A
CHOICE WHETHER THEY KEEP
WORKING AND TRYING TO BUILD A
RELATIONSHIP OR END IT AND
WALK AWAY FROM IT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU
JUST SAY, OKAY, THIS IS IT,
I'M NEVER GOING TO LOOK BACK
ON IT.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN ONGOING
PROCESS.
>> Dave: DOES IT BOTHER YOU
NOW THAT DID IT BOTHER YOU
THEN THAT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF
CONTINUE TO MAKE JOKES ABO
YOUR HUSBAND, IS THAT
OUBLING TO YOU?
( LAUGHTER) 
( APPLAUSE)
>> WELL, PART OF THE REASON I
CAME ON THIS SHOW IS I DIDN'T
KNOW YOU DID.
>> Dave: OH, I SEE, YOU'RE NOT
WATCHING THE SHOW THEN.
ALL RIGHT.
VERY FEW PEOPLE DO, SO DON'T
WORRY ABOUT IT.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH THE
SENATOR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
( APPLAUSE)